Rooney - "not world class?"

[Snelly]

Nowhere near world class.

World class strikers: Bergkamp, Henry, Messi, Stoichkov, Baggio, Ronaldo, Van Basten, Romario, Zola, Ronaldo, Maradona, Puskas, Suker, Law, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic, Klinsmann, Dalglish, Raul, Muller, Pele, Rummenigge, Batistuta, Papin, Butragueno, Eusebio and there are loads more.

Rooney isn't even close. Massively overrated, just like Beckham before him. But because they are English and half decent, the deluded masses following In-ger-lund believe that they are up there with the greats.

Quite laughable really.

 

[Birchy]

Add

Falcao
Cavani
Benzema
Costa
Lewondonski

To that list also

World class is all relative to how you define world class.

Rooney is better than all them above though.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nowhere near world class.

World class strikers: Bergkamp, Henry, Messi, Stoichkov, Baggio, Ronaldo, Van Basten, Romario, Zola, Ronaldo, Maradona, Puskas, Suker, Law, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic, Klinsmann, Dalglish, Raul, Muller, Pele, Rummenigge, Batistuta, Papin, Butragueno, Eusebio and there are loads more.

Rooney isn't even close. Massively overrated, just like Beckham before him. But because they are English and half decent, the deluded masses following In-ger-lund believe that they are up there with the greats.

Quite laughable really.

The Beckham reference is spot on

 

[guest100718]

World class is all relative to how you define world class.

Rooney is better than all them above though.

id take falcoa or levendowski before rooney

 

[Deleted member 15344]

World class is all relative to how you define world class.

Rooney is better than all them above though.

Believe all those listed are better strikers than Rooney

World class for me is if the player can get into a World XI ( including subs ) - Rooney for me wouldn't

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Interesting thing about English football, you either support Manchester United or you don't.The ABU suggestion is alive and well on this thread.

And as for the suggestion world class means you'd get into a world XI no matter what, meaning there can only ever be XI world class players at any one time is weird...I think the bayern goalie is world class but also the man utd goalie, so what do I do?

I think Xavi and Busquets are world class but also Gerrard and Kroos, would Zlatan get a game for Barca?Obviously not as they'd not replace Messi, but he's world class, isn't he?Bale is world class but no one would drop Iniesta from the left side,would they?Would you replace Saurez with Aguero?Who's world class and who's not then?

Rooney is excellent, if he wasn't such a cave man I'd imagine PSG and Real would have tried to sign him by now,and they only sign world class players

 

[Piece]

Nowhere near world class.

World class strikers: Bergkamp, Henry, Messi, Stoichkov, Baggio, Ronaldo, Van Basten, Romario, Zola, Ronaldo, Maradona, Puskas, Suker, Law, Del Piero, Ibrahimovic, Klinsmann, Dalglish, Raul, Muller, Pele, Rummenigge, Batistuta, Papin, Butragueno, Eusebio and there are loads more.

Rooney isn't even close. Massively overrated, just like Beckham before him. But because they are English and half decent, the deluded masses following In-ger-lund believe that they are up there with the greats.

Quite laughable really.

This is where I am really, hence my OP. He has gone missing for England too many times (all major tournaments) and often shows in big games that he's just a very good player, not world glass.

I seem to remember a leaner Rooney at Everton with bags of pace to burn (bit like Ross Barkley now). Since 'developing' at United, he's become muscular and has lost that 5% to take him past people. I also think he gets in the way of other players at United, either dropping too far deep and hitting his predictable long diagonal balls, or playing just behind the striker in the playmaker role - that should be left to Kagawa or Mata, IMHO. It was only recently he couldn't get a game as RVP was doing the business.

What he is world class at threatening to leave and getting a fat pay rise as a result.

 

[Birchy]

id take falcoa or levendowski before rooney

Possibly Falcao just. Lewendowski (spelling lol) is vastly overrated though, nowhere near as good an all round player as Rooney imo.

 

[Piece]

Possibly Falcao just. Lewendowski (spelling lol) is vastly overrated though, nowhere near as good an all round player as Rooney imo.

For all, its Lewandowski

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Interesting thing about English football, you either support Manchester United or you don't.The ABU suggestion is alive and well on this thread.

And as for the suggestion world class means you'd get into a world XI no matter what, meaning there can only ever be XI world class players at any one time is weird...I think the bayern goalie is world class but also the man utd goalie, so what do I do?

I think Xavi and Busquets are world class but also Gerrard and Kroos, would Zlatan get a game for Barca?Obviously not as they'd not replace Messi, but he's world class, isn't he?Bale is world class but no one would drop Iniesta from the left side,would they?Would you replace Saurez with Aguero?Who's world class and who's not then?

Rooney is excellent, if he wasn't such a cave man I'd imagine PSG and Real would have tried to sign him by now,and they only sign world class players

World class can be any definition a person wants

I believe it is used far too often

Gerrard is no longer a world class player

World class should be reserved for the top of the tree players right now but the definition gets diluted

Kroos for example is a very good player - but nowhere near the likes of Xavi or Iniesta

Busquests is top quality - world class ? Not for me

De Gea world class ? Not in a million years.

By saying someone isn't world class doesn't mean they aren't good - it just means they aren't at the top of the tree

My current world class list would be

Neuer
Dante
Kompany
Lahm
Alba
Xavi
Iniesta
Messi
Ibrahimovic
Suarez
Ronaldo

They are the players that are right at the top of the tree

 

[pbrown7582]

Don't get involved, don't get involved... I promised myself I wouldn't get into football debate on here....

:rofl: :rofl:

Me too on this one I'm just observing!

 

[Piece]

My current world class list would be

Neuer
Dante
Kompany
Lahm
Alba
Xavi
Iniesta
Messi
Ibrahimovic
Suarez
Ronaldo

Mine (similar!):

Courtois
Alves
Dante
Kompany
Alba
Xavi
Iniesta
Messi
Lavezzi
Suarez
Ronaldo

 

[matts1984]

He has been off the pace for a few years now. Not since he scored that overhead volley 2 seasons ago has he been really world class.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

World class can be any definition a person wants

I believe it is used far too often

Gerrard is no longer a world class player

World class should be reserved for the top of the tree players right now but the definition gets diluted

Kroos for example is a very good player - but nowhere near the likes of Xavi or Iniesta

Busquests is top quality - world class ? Not for me

De Gea world class ? Not in a million years.

By saying someone isn't world class doesn't mean they aren't good - it just means they aren't at the top of the tree

My current world class list would be

Neuer
Dante
Kompany
Lahm
Alba
Xavi
Iniesta
Messi
Ibrahimovic
Suarez
Ronaldo

They are the players that are right at the top of the tree

But Gerrard this season is performing a role for the team like never before?Just becuase he's not smashing them in every week doesn't mean he's not world class?...that pass at fulham won't be bettered this season,anywhere..world class.
Busquets is one of the 1st picks for Barca and Spain but not world class?

Dante and Kompany both superior to the PSG centre back?Suarez superior to Aguero or Rooney?..neither are more adaptable, that's for sure, and that's probably where Rooney falls down...he's too adaptable, too able to play left/right/10/9..Suarez and Ibra can't do that...so is Rooney MORE world class...I think he could play centre back, could Suarez or Aguero?


Cannae believe I'm defending Rooney against English folk....

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Andrea Pirlo, world class

 

[socky]

Personally I think Rooney is just outside the top bracket of players that you'd class 'world class' but he's right at the top of the next bracket.

You ever noticed how completely one footed he is?

Saying that he'll go on to be Englands leading scorer I think, something Owen should have done.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

So the over-head kick in the Manchester Derby doesn't count?

I'm far from a Manchester United fan, but the lad has talent.

Sorry, just been in a stupidly long meeting......

That overhead kick looked better than it actually was.....watch it again and tell me it doesn't come off the middle of his shin. He mis hit the shot, that's all there is to it.

 

[Foxholer]

Is Rooney playing solo in the world cup?

As a team England aren't up to the standard. We all accept that.


That's not what the thread questions though

Did you read the article?

Here's what I was referring to -

But Barton said he believes Rooney falling short of his potential was part of a wider problem within English football at large, adding that Roy Hodgson's England side have "no chance at the World Cup," and that "no one believes we can win it - the manager, the media, the players."

He's right there too isn't he!

 

[Pin-seeker]

He is one of the most over hyped English players of all time.

On the rare occasion he does something "special" its against mediocre teams. He goes missing in big games and isn't consistent.

Sorry, but the white pele he aint.

He's no Zidane. But he is the 5th top England scorer of all time & UTD's 3rd(will probably end up topping both)so maybe not so over hyped.

 

[mcbroon]

But Gerrard this season is performing a role for the team like never before?Just becuase he's not smashing them in every week doesn't mean he's not world class?...that pass at fulham won't be bettered this season,anywhere..world class.
Busquets is one of the 1st picks for Barca and Spain but not world class?

Dante and Kompany both superior to the PSG centre back?Suarez superior to Aguero or Rooney?..neither are more adaptable, that's for sure, and that's probably where Rooney falls down...he's too adaptable, too able to play left/right/10/9..Suarez and Ibra can't do that...so is Rooney MORE world class...I think he could play centre back, could Suarez or Aguero?


Cannae believe I'm defending Rooney against English folk....

I'm with you on this. Two Scots defending Rooney against his own, who would have thought it?

Rooney suffers from comparison to a player that doesn't exist - the one that people thought he would become when he first burst onto the scene. He's maybe not the player we once thought he might be. Sometimes he tries to do too much, which blunts his effectiveness. Sometimes he sacrifices himself for the team, like he did with Ronaldo was still at Utd, so his performances are less eye-catching. I'd probably agree that maybe he hasn't achieved his full potential but he's still a gifted all-round footballer.