Rooney - "not world class?"

[pokerjoke]

I find this a very strange statement to make. What is England quality then? 20 in 24 games this season, what is even more impressive is the fact that he is not the main target man upfront so getting all the chances as SUarez has got 29 in 27, so Sturridge is having to take chances when he gets them.

Ok I would not say he is the most complete all round striker the country has ever seen, but he is quick and will put it away when the chance comes. He is second in the Premier League scoring charts behind Suarez after all said and done. The list of English players goals look like this:

Sturridge 20
Rooney 15
Gerrard 11
Lambert 10
Welbeck 9
Crouch 8
Johnson 8
Ramsey 8

So, who you going to pick as our England partnership then? If Woy goes with 2 upfront which I am sure he will, then obviously Rooney will be one, that means you need someone who is going to push on the last defender and give Rooney space to work. A player that is fast that will make teams defend that 10 yards deeper for fear of it.

Ramseys welsh

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Honestly? Rooney and Carroll. Whilst Carroll isn't as good a striker as Sturridge, I feel he would add more to the team as a whole and would be hungry to work his arse off. He gives us a target up front and with the awful football we play which inevitably leads to a hoof, we might as well have someone in their half who can win a header and bring the other forwards into the game.

If not Carroll, then Crouch or Lambert. I don't want us to play long ball football, but at the end of the day we're going to play the odd long ball, and there's no point getting lads to put balls in the box if you haven't got someone in there to win the headers.

Carroll , Crouch and Lambert !

What other top international team play with those type of players as their main striker ?

That just sets up for humping balls forward to big lumps to knock down - the style of football that gets a team nowhere and the style of football that needs it be dragged out of England. We got rid of Carroll for a reason and replaced him with Sturridge - because we wanted to pass the ball

When you have creators like Lallana , Barkley , Wilshire , Sterling in your team you don't by pass them by looking for the big guy , you get the ball going through midfield to get the front men making intelligent runs and balls played into the channels and around the corner , the strikers dragging their markers out wide to leave gaps for players to burst in.

The reason why England get nowhere is because they have players like Carroll as plan A ! The disease of "getting the ball into the box" - it's awful turgid football with zero success !

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ramseys welsh

Poor bloke

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I find this a very strange statement to make. What is England quality then? 20 in 24 games this season, what is even more impressive is the fact that he is not the main target man upfront so getting all the chances as SUarez has got 29 in 27, so Sturridge is having to take chances when he gets them.

Ok I would not say he is the most complete all round striker the country has ever seen, but he is quick and will put it away when the chance comes. He is second in the Premier League scoring charts behind Suarez after all said and done. The list of English players goals look like this:

Sturridge 20
Rooney 15
Gerrard 11
Lambert 10
Welbeck 9
Crouch 8
Johnson 8
Ramsey 8

So, who you going to pick as our England partnership then? If Woy goes with 2 upfront which I am sure he will, then obviously Rooney will be one, that means you need someone who is going to push on the last defender and give Rooney space to work. A player that is fast that will make teams defend that 10 yards deeper for fear of it.

:rofl:

 

[pokerjoke]

As much as I detest him as I am from Leeds and have no time for MU (spit) I think Rooney is world class providing he has world class service something he isn't getting anymore at manchester and he rarely gets, less so these days in an England shirt. Give him the balls he needs and he will score all day and night.

Lol Leeds [spit] at least you know your football mate.
Rooney is world class as a striker simples.

 

[pokerjoke]

Carroll , Crouch and Lambert !

What other top international team play with those type of players as their main striker ?

That just sets up for humping balls forward to big lumps to knock down - the style of football that gets a team nowhere and the style of football that needs it be dragged out of England. We got rid of Carroll for a reason and replaced him with Sturridge - because we wanted to pass the ball

When you have creators like Lallana , Barkley , Wilshire , Sterling in your team you don't by pass them by looking for the big guy , you get the ball going through midfield to get the front men making intelligent runs and balls played into the channels and around the corner , the strikers dragging their markers out wide to leave gaps for players to burst in.

The reason why England get nowhere is because they have players like Carroll as plan A ! The disease of "getting the ball into the box" - it's awful turgid football with zero success !

Spot on.
I would take Carroll though just incase we are 1-0 down with 10 minutes to go.
Also I hear he makes a nice cuppa

 

[Deleted member 1418]

IMO Rooney would struggle to get into the top 20 players in the world. From what I have seen, Barkley has the potential to be the first English player since Gazza to be truly a world great.

The last English player to get anywhere near a 'World XI' in recent years is Ashley Cole. For about 7-10 years there was no better left back in world football.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Carroll , Crouch and Lambert !

What other top international team play with those type of players as their main striker ?

That just sets up for humping balls forward to big lumps to knock down - the style of football that gets a team nowhere and the style of football that needs it be dragged out of England. We got rid of Carroll for a reason and replaced him with Sturridge - because we wanted to pass the ball

When you have creators like Lallana , Barkley , Wilshire , Sterling in your team you don't by pass them by looking for the big guy , you get the ball going through midfield to get the front men making intelligent runs and balls played into the channels and around the corner , the strikers dragging their markers out wide to leave gaps for players to burst in.

The reason why England get nowhere is because they have players like Carroll as plan A ! The disease of "getting the ball into the box" - it's awful turgid football with zero success !

Spot on there. Wasn't the most common pass in the last Euros for England Hart to Carroll?

 

[A1ex]

Is Rooney world class? Yes. Has been for about 10 years and the goals/assists and trophies prove that. Not many other strikers can boast of averaging 20 plus goals for a decade in a major league.

Has Rooney made the absolute most of his talent? No. Clearly hasn't kept himself in the best condition and worked hard enough on his weak points.


He'd walk into the Real side over Benzema, the Bayern one over Manzukic, Barcelona one over Naymar/Sanchez etc.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

Carroll , Crouch and Lambert !

What other top international team play with those type of players as their main striker ?

That just sets up for humping balls forward to big lumps to knock down - the style of football that gets a team nowhere and the style of football that needs it be dragged out of England. We got rid of Carroll for a reason and replaced him with Sturridge - because we wanted to pass the ball

When you have creators like Lallana , Barkley , Wilshire , Sterling in your team you don't by pass them by looking for the big guy , you get the ball going through midfield to get the front men making intelligent runs and balls played into the channels and around the corner , the strikers dragging their markers out wide to leave gaps for players to burst in.

The reason why England get nowhere is because they have players like Carroll as plan A ! The disease of "getting the ball into the box" - it's awful turgid football with zero success !

Belgium play with Benteke and Lukaku who aren't massively dissimilar to Rooney and Carroll in terms of style and the team play much better football than England. The strikers don't define the style of play, the creative players you've mentioned do. There's no reason England couldn't play attractive football with Carroll on the team, most of that play would be behind him anyway, it just gives you a credible option for a cross/corner/free kick in both defence and attack. He's decent on the floor and holds the ball up better than anyone else we've got.

And, was more realistically 'dropped' after being injured for a couple of years. Had he been fully fit, I've no doubt he'd have had much more time on the pitch for England.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Belgium play with Benteke and Lukaku who aren't massively dissimilar to Rooney and Carroll in terms of style and the team play much better football than England. The strikers don't define the style of play, the creative players you've mentioned do. There's no reason England couldn't play attractive football with Carroll on the team, most of that play would be behind him anyway, it just gives you a credible option for a cross/corner/free kick in both defence and attack. He's decent on the floor and holds the ball up better than anyone else we've got.

And, was more realistically 'dropped' after being injured for a couple of years. Had he been fully fit, I've no doubt he'd have had much more time on the pitch for England.

Belgium also have wonderful creative players behind and don't play the two as target men

Both Lukaku and Benteke are very good on the floor - players like Carroll are miles away from those pair in terms of style

With Carroll in the team the ball gets lumped up - that's how West Ham play with him because that's his strengths , that's how a newcastle played with him - he is a good possible option to throw on in the last 5 mins when 1 down.

More time on the pitch with Carroll in the team would mean more balls lumped up and more awful football from England.

 

[Robobum]

There's a fair bit of drinking gone on before typing some of these posts chaps!!!!

Back in the armchairs now, I'll get you a beer

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There's a fair bit of drinking gone on before typing some of these posts chaps!!!!

Back in the armchairs now, I'll get you a beer

Mainly from Rooney

 

[richart]

Rooney was a world class prospect when a teenager, but he seemed to peak when he was about 20 and hasn't improved since. In fact he has gone backwards, as he seems to have lost some pace.

I think Hazard has the talent to be a world class player. Think of the assists he would have if he had a decent striker in front of him.

 

[MadAdey]

Rooney was a world class prospect when a teenager, but he seemed to peak when he was about 20 and hasn't improved since. In fact he has gone backwards, as he seems to have lost some pace.

I think Hazard has the talent to be a world class player. Think of the assists he would have if he had a decent striker in front of him.

I would love to see him playing behind Suarez and Sturridge, I know not many other fans in the league would like it though.

 

[MadAdey]

I know we have sort of gone off topic with this thread now, but I think that Woy has such an obvious line up infront of him, but can he see it? 4-2-3-1, that is what a lot of teams are playing in the modern game. You go Sterling left, Sturridge right and Rooney in the middle. IT has to work doesn't it? Those 2 are in fine form playing that way at Liverpool and Rooney is a similar style of striker to Suarez, so it would work IMO.

Now stick Gerrard in one of the holding midfield roles, like he plays at Liverpool, that would get the best out of him. Some creative who can pick a pass in the attacking midfield position and I thikn we might have a chance of playing some good football.

 

[Pin-seeker]

We all list Attacking players when talking about the best players in the world,but what about the likes of Maldini? He's got to be one of the greatest players ever.
Makelele was also world class but didn't stand out as much as the likes of Ronaldo & Messi.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We all list Attacking players when talking about the best players in the world,but what about the likes of Maldini? He's got to be one of the greatest players ever.
Makelele was also world class but didn't stand out as much as the likes of Ronaldo & Messi.

Both were world class players

As were players like Baresi

Albertini
Cannavaro
Guardiloa

 

[Liverbirdie]

I think overall Rooney has shown flashes of being a world class player. He was also world class in that season when he scored a shed load of goals for United about 3 years ago, after Ronaldo left,when he played as an out and out striker. Has he been world class for 7-8 seasons-no. Only a smidgeon below it for me though.

It maybe begs the bigger question, is it possible to be a world class striker for many seasons in the Premiership? With the defenders being allowed to get away with more than our continental counterparts, lack of a winter break, 38 game seasons, 2/3 cup competitions, playing in all weathers. (I still wouldn't change any of the aforementioned BTW, except maybe for the winter break).The ballon d'or always does seem to go to Italy or Spain,though.

Maybe Rooney for Real Madrid might have made him take that very small step, I think so anyway.

 

[NorfolkShaun]

I do not think anyone can say Rooney is a bad player, he really could of been so much more though.

He needed to move on when Ronaldo did as to me he is not as good now as he was when younger. This may be down to who he is now playing with and in some respects playing second fiddle to RVP (when fit) since he joined Man U. Signing his new contract is a bad move for Rooney he needed a new challenge he will now meander into retirement on his contract and never for-fill his potential

Is he world class? for me not at the moment as strikers go there are quite a few ahead of him to get in a world XI. To me the definition of world class is would he get in a world XI and the answer is no not even on the bench.