Roll Back Discussion

[Lord Tyrion]

Hey! You were after a sport where they purposely adjusted the equipment so it wouldn't go too far....the throwers were going beyond the stadium limits. If they hadn't made the adjustment.....the throwers would have been moved out into a big field somewhere without the fans. The equipment and the throwers were overpowering the field they throw on......just like golfers today.

I have thrown a discus backwards in my young days......no cage around the circle then.....zinged right over the people standing there watching.....scared me....scared them. They backed up the next time I threw.

They also reduced the compression of tennis balls to reign in the big servers that were dominating wimbledon and similar for a spell. Remember the yawn fest of ace after ace. So that is two sports where the equipment was changed to reign in advances.

 

[pendodave]

They also reduced the compression of tennis balls to reign in the big servers that were dominating wimbledon and similar for a spell. Remember the yawn fest of ace after ace. So that is two sports where the equipment was changed to reign in advances.

Baseball also makes the pros use the equivalent of persimmon drivers to ensure that existing ball parks aren't rendered irrelevant.
The idea that this isn't a normal thing to do, and is some sort of infringement of constitutional rights is comical.
Shades of tobacco, big oil and seatbelt deniers everywhere! ;-)

 

[bobmac]

And add a 5th wedge… or a chipper

 

[clubchamp98]

F1 is a good case study. Restrict the cars, engineers go to work and before you know it the 1.6 hybrid goes as fast as a V8 turbo. Same will happen here. Drag balls back 20 yards, pros will find a way to get another 20 yards.

F1 is won and lost in the pit lane.

 

[Steve Wilkes]

I’ve not played two of these, but I’m sure that Worplesdon, Woking and Swinley are all of a relatively modest length — SF albeit being less in par. I’d imagine that the famous strategic centre-line bunker on the 4th at Woking wouldn’t trouble an elite amateur as they’d be able to carry it

Center-Line Bunkers are one of the worse things you can do in course design, why punish a straight shot

 

[Bratty]

Center-Line Bunkers are one of the worse things you can do in course design, why punish a straight shot

Yeah, those ones on the first at Royal Magpie were ball magnets!

 

[clubchamp98]

They also reduced the compression of tennis balls to reign in the big servers that were dominating wimbledon and similar for a spell. Remember the yawn fest of ace after ace. So that is two sports where the equipment was changed to reign in advances.

Yes they did but in these sports you both play with the same ball.
having a ball you can’t see because it’s to fast dosnt make sense.

but.
golf is pretty unique in that your opponents can’t touch your ball.
only you are in control ( mostly) nobody else can snooker you.

 

[clubchamp98]

Center-Line Bunkers are one of the worse things you can do in course design, why punish a straight shot

Second hole at West Lancs gets me every time it’s a ball magnet.

 

[Crow]

Why should any change impact longer hitters rather than shorter hitters?

The two key components affecting flight are drag and kinetic energy, try watching this video about the last major change in golf balls, around 2.5 mins has some theory on it.

 

[Crow]

My driver goes too far....said no Amateur....ever!

I did, and I no longer use a modern driver.

If a rolled back ball is introduced, I'll be using it as long as they don't charge silly prices.

 

[Steve Wilkes]

They also reduced the compression of tennis balls to reign in the big servers that were dominating wimbledon and similar for a spell. Remember the yawn fest of ace after ace. So that is two sports where the equipment was changed to reign in advances.

And took the serve and volley out of the game..boo

 

[Crow]

We should also remove the bounce from wedges. Stop green staff from immaculately preparing golf courses. Remove all yardage markers and distance measuring devices. Let us get back to playing golf exactly as it was played in the 19th century (except, we'll still let women play)

Female participation was higher around the 1900s than it is now.

 

[sjw]

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-and-r-a-ball-rollback-proposal/amp

The wording of that report is less Golf Digest and more Golf Constipation. What a slog. Gave up halfway through.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

The two key components affecting flight are drag and kinetic energy, try watching this video about the last major change in golf balls, around 2.5 mins has some theory on it.

I get the physics. I didn’t quite phrase my reply correctly.

Why should longer hitters be disproportionately effected by a roll back in equipment?

 

[Backsticks]

Yes they did but in these sports you both play with the same ball.
having a ball you can’t see because it’s to fast dosnt make sense.

but.
golf is pretty unique in that your opponents can’t touch your ball.
only you are in control ( mostly) nobody else can snooker you.

I dont think its helpful to look at other sports to argue for or against this change in golf. They all have their own differences and nuances.
We nood to look at golf specifically. I am sure the authorities will elucidate, but probably more important than the roll back or its magnitude, is that a line in the sand has been drawn. And we are not now vulnerable to some other ball development or creep, that has us in a worse position in 30 years time.

 

[Crow]

Agree with you. If they said we all had to use a ball that goes 10 or 15% less distance I'd probably end up giving up golf. All but the shortest courses would become a chore hitting woods or hybrid for every second shot. Also not sure how you'd police it, surely people would just stock up on current balls and potentially keep using them for years to come.

It should be something that affects the professionals only.

You could move up a set of tees if you prefer the drive wedge game.
And yes, if it it was a rule for all then some people would stock up on old balls, we know too well from this forum how many golfers like to bend the rules.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I dont think its helpful to look at other sports to argue for or against this change in golf. They all have their own differences and nuances.
We nood to look at golf specifically. I am sure the authorities will elucidate, but probably more important than the roll back or its magnitude, is that a line in the sand has been drawn. And we are not now vulnerable to some other ball development or creep, that has us in a worse position in 30 years time.

Sorry can you explain how the sport is in its worst position for 30 years ? In what way ?

 

[Orikoru]

You could move up a set of tees if you prefer the drive wedge game.
And yes, if it it was a rule for all then some people would stock up on old balls, we know too well from this forum how many golfers like to bend the rules.

I don't know about your course but most of our tee sets are only about 5-10 yards apart on most holes, not 20 or 30.

 

[Crow]

First thing I thought.
what if the manufacturer just refuse to make this ball.?
most pros get them free so no profit from them.
the profit comes from us playing the ball the pros play.

Then some new companies will spring up who are prepared to make it, and they'll get all the headlines from winners using their balls.
Wonder how long the established ball companies will let that happen?

 

[Backsticks]

Sorry can you explain how the sport is in its worst position for 30 years ? In what way ?

I didnt say that. In any way.