Foxholer
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Don't be an arse!
I saw that and it still didn't explain the 'strokeplay' reference to the original 'medal' one in Post 83!
Resolving stroke play ties
- Thread starter Colin L
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I saw that and it still didn't explain the 'strokeplay' reference to the original 'medal' one in Post 83!
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3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
2 players with a Course Handicap of 10 and 11 playing a Medal Comp and their scores are equal. There could be 0.1 difference in their HI. Which player deserves to win and I know these are the rules which everyone should be aware of.
This can go, and probably will, on and on.
This can go, and probably will, on and on.
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
Neither, by the rules of the game it’s a tie and that’s just fine.
Jason.H
Well-known member
I can’t seeing anything changing. Higher handicappers May win more often, but low handicappers go for the 2,s pot.
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Have we found a solution yet? I just want to know whether I should try extra hard on the back 9 on Saturday just in case 
Foxholer
Blackballed
If you think I'm playing games, that's a sad reflection on you own attitude!
But, as above...., Whatever!
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rulie
Head Pro
Mid-high handicappers will win handicap events more often because there are generally more of them competing, and the probability is that the winner will come from from the most populous group of players.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Our midweek stableford was won with 39 points......
Guy plays off Scratch....
Jus' sayin'......
Guy plays off Scratch....
Jus' sayin'......
Foxholer
Blackballed
And in spite of Imurg's point above - which was possibly assisted by shortened course, even with less run - it's 'easier' for 'improving' mid-high cappers to have 'exceptional' rounds than it is for, say, very low cappers. This time of year can also can also produce 'exceptional' results for them too - even with WHS.
doublebogey7
Head Pro
I will agree that the WHS has moved the dial, but the evidence from my clubs is it has merely served to reduce the gap in prize winnings. I do though suspect that when there is more statistical data available it will show that winning for low handicap players is now harder than for old Cat 2's & 3's, but no harder than for long-standing 4's & 5's. The truth is, and will always be so improving players have the best chance of winning, and we all improved quickest when we first got into the game.
If there are sufficient numbers of you that would like to see more gross competitions have you thought about asking the club to instigate an entry fee for those that wish to take part alongside the net events.
doublebogey7
Head Pro
Again nowhere near enough information to draw any conclusion.
Canfordhacker
Q-School Graduate
Whilst I agree with the purist intent of Colin's original post, I can live with countback on the basis that it rewards somebody who may have had a poor start and then focussed and got things together, vs somebody who has cruised in and protected a score. Shotgun and two tee starts I don't agree with countback.
Colin L
Tour Winner
Thanks for recognising the purist in me, but that's just another Fred and Barney situation. There is a multitude of different ways in which two players can compile identical scores each of which you could argue should be rewarded for some reason or another.
I think I will rest content that no-one has come remotely near convincing me that a countback has anything to do with golfing ability. I won't be as blunt as Salfordlad and say that anyone who believes it to be other than arbitrary is delusional - but they are kidding themselves.
Steve Wilkes
Well-known member
Thanks for recognising the purist in me, but that's just another Fred and Barney situation. There is a multitude of different ways in which two players can compile identical scores each of which you could argue should be rewarded for some reason or another.
I think I will rest content that no-one has come remotely near convincing me that a countback has anything to do with golfing ability. I won't be as blunt as Salfordlad and say that anyone who believes it to be other than arbitrary is delusional - but they are kidding themselves.
Your right Colin, although I quite like countback to decide ties (mainly because we have always done that at our club, so we know the rules before teeing off), I do agree it has nothing to do with one player playing relatively better than another, but happy to keep it that way until someone comes up with a better way of doing it, which nobody has convinced me yet
Colin L
Tour Winner
1st Equals. That's the way. But countbacks are too well entrenched - which takes me back to the sure and certain knowledge of the futility of farting against thunder.
Thanks for a great discussion, folks.
DickInShorts
Newbie
Greensomes handicapping appears to have reduced the number of ties considerably since it went to 60/40 percent of Handicap.
Perhaps the same use of actual playing handicaps would be a fairer way of resolving ties
Perhaps the same use of actual playing handicaps would be a fairer way of resolving ties
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
I think there is a better way but some people won’t like it. You could run an 18 (or any n) play-off as a simulation using the tied players’ WHS history and the (controversial bit) concept of most likely score weighted with the tied scores of the day.
It would be more representative of playing abilities but I suspect the outcome would generally be that the lower handicap player would win most of the time.
Although more representative of individual ability it won’t have the same perceived fairness of flipping a coin.
One for the future generations I think.
It would be more representative of playing abilities but I suspect the outcome would generally be that the lower handicap player would win most of the time.
Although more representative of individual ability it won’t have the same perceived fairness of flipping a coin.
One for the future generations I think.
Jason.H
Well-known member
I just checked our results and I won our 1st strokeplay sunday. Two of us with net 67 decided on count back.
Backache
Assistant Pro
I'd love to know how to do that.
