Ready Golf

[BoadieBroadus]

it can be frustrating playing with someone who is never ready, but unless you have more than 1 in a group i don't think it makes all that much of a difference.

in my normal rounds 85 - 90% of wasted time is looking for mishit balls / hitting provisionals. and that's being conservative.

 

[freddielong]

Don't see the need people who play quickly will only be held even more by the people who are just generally slower. Some golfers are slow when they are rushing I don't actually think it will speed them up at all so just cause more congestion.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

There's no reason why you can't play ready golf, AND keep the correct order of honour on the tee.

If it's my honour - I'm there!

HOORRAY.

Only 31 posts to find a simple solution that golfers have observed for over 150 years.

I think slow play is slowly killing golf and 'solutions' such as ready golf are just re-arranging the deck chairs.

Golfers walking at more than 1 MPH whilst being aware that they are not the only golfer on the course would also help.

 

[3565]

It's not going to solve the problem, not in the amateur monthly medal as you have varing degrees of ability and physical capabilities. Some hit long, some short, straight, wayward, walk fast, walk slow, some hit without thinking, some like to think, I could go on, but I find it bizarre that you say slow play is turning people away from the game but surely that's what you want, less people on the course which will give you faster times for you to play a round. Going round playing ready golf to cut your round times by X amount of minutes and going round in YOUR idyllic timings to show and encourage more people to take up the game in their masses would clog your course up, more people playing the game er ............. More waiting and hold ups......... Oh dear back to square 1.

as far as you think I'm against it, your so wrong. But I value the traditions of how the game is played like I stated earlier, you seem to be opposed to how the game is played as your more interested in how quickly you can play and in any order if your ready.

 

[Foxholer]

I'm all for ready golf, but only when the circumstances warrant it. In Matchplay or the likes of Club Champs etc, where scores are known, the it should not apply.

If everybody plays ready golf it might speed things up a bit, but I don't believe it will help as much as folk would like to think.

For example. In P148's 'example' of being 3 holes ahead of a group behind not playing it; either he was first group out, the guys in front were also playing ready golf (as they weren't holding his group up) or the group behind was just slow(er)! LPP's statement that Golf used to only take 3 hours is no real argument for Ready Golf (except perhaps as part of a solution) as they were playing 'Rules of Golf' back then. It's the increased length - reacting to equipment and fitness changes - and increased usage - packing more golfers onto the course for commercial reasons, that has caused the increase in time imo.

To me, it's common sense that should prevail. But RoG certainly applies a reasonable procedure that includes some Health & Safety driven aspects.

I don't see why, in a Monthly Medal, everybody needs to wait until for the long-hitter in the group with the honour, or certain situations during play of a hole - ahead, but laying up vs going for the green for example. That's actually unlikely to seriously reduce overall time though imo.

And careful where/how you say 'take your time' btw! If it's advice, it's a 2 shot penalty!

 

[3565]

I'm all for ready golf, but only when the circumstances warrant it. In Matchplay or the likes of Club Champs etc, where scores are known, the it should not apply.

If everybody plays ready golf it might speed things up a bit, but I don't believe it will help as much as folk would like to think.

For example. In P148's 'example' of being 3 holes ahead of a group behind not playing it; either he was first group out, the guys in front were also playing ready golf (as they weren't holding his group up) or the group behind was just slow(er)! LPP's statement that Golf used to only take 3 hours is no real argument for Ready Golf (except perhaps as part of a solution) as they were playing 'Rules of Golf' back then. It's the increased length - reacting to equipment and fitness changes - and increased usage - packing more golfers onto the course for commercial reasons, that has caused the increase in time imo.

To me, it's common sense that should prevail. But RoG certainly applies a reasonable procedure that includes some Health & Safety driven aspects.

I don't see why, in a Monthly Medal, everybody needs to wait until for the long-hitter in the group with the honour, or certain situations during play of a hole - ahead, but laying up vs going for the green for example. That's actually unlikely to seriously reduce overall time though imo.

And careful where/how you say 'take your time' btw! If it's advice, it's a 2 shot penalty!

Im sure the protagonist WILL not say those words in his round of 'ready golf'

 

[ScienceBoy]

The thing is about ready golf is EVERYBODY has to do it or let through groups who do very quickly. If not then the benefits of it are pretty much nullified.

If everybody was just ready to play when it was THEIR TURN, we could speed up golf no end. We wouldn't need to have people firing off in quick succession. Golf is not a race and never should be.

I define "To Play" as not the act of hitting the ball but commencing their routine, I don't think players should be rattling around in a bag while others play.

I think speed of play needs small improvements by everybody rather than a wholesale change that could ruin the round in a different way.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's not going to solve the problem, not in the amateur monthly medal as you have varing degrees of ability and physical capabilities. Some hit long, some short, straight, wayward, walk fast, walk slow, some hit without thinking, some like to think, I could go on, but I find it bizarre that you say slow play is turning people away from the game but surely that's what you want, less people on the course which will give you faster times for you to play a round. Going round playing ready golf to cut your round times by X amount of minutes and going round in YOUR idyllic timings to show and encourage more people to take up the game in their masses would clog your course up, more people playing the game er ............. More waiting and hold ups......... Oh dear back to square 1.

as far as you think I'm against it, your so wrong. But I value the traditions of how the game is played like I stated earlier, you seem to be opposed to how the game is played as your more interested in how quickly you can play and in any order if your ready.

When has it ever been suggested I don't value the traditions of golf ?!

Opposed to the way the game is played ? Sorry but I play the game within the rules set out and then I also use both etiquette and common sense whilst I play to ensure both enjoyment and ensure no undue delay.

I'm interested in ensuring that people get enjoyment out of the game.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Im sure the protagonist WILL not say those words in his round of 'ready golf'

I'm sure I'm happy for anyone to take their time when playing as long as they are not causing any undue delay , they are not losing holes on the group in front and they realise that there is more than just them on the golf course to consider

But most of all I hope everyone uses good manners and common sense

 

[3565]

When has it ever been suggested I don't value the traditions of golf ?!

Opposed to the way the game is played ? Sorry but I play the game within the rules set out and then I also use both etiquette and common sense whilst I play to ensure both enjoyment and ensure no undue delay.

I'm interested in ensuring that people get enjoyment out of the game.

your OP states I'm not bothered about the honour, that's part of the tradition in this game, and if your not bothered about your honour it's fair to say your not bothered about FCs right to have the honour as your wanting players to play ready golf no matter what! But you play the game within the rules set out and use etiquette, which will refer to a player having the honour!!! Contradictory?

Whilst slow play is a problem (to those who scoot round in under 3hrs) I think ready golf can also have a negative impact on the game. I was in a 5hr30min round yesterday and was waiting on every shot almost, it doesn't bother me that it was that long as the company was good and had a laugh. Is there a need for it to take so long? No. Did it happen, Yes, is there anything I could do yesterday to make it speed up, no as I'm not in control of others. It is what it is whether it's 5 hrs or 3.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

your OP states I'm not bothered about the honour, that's part of the tradition in this game, and if your not bothered about your honour it's fair to say your not bothered about FCs right to have the honour as your wanting players to play ready golf no matter what! But you play the game within the rules set out and use etiquette, which will refer to a player having the honour!!! Contradictory?

Yep I'm not precious enough to be bothered about having the honour - and I will use "common sense" when playing - when did I ever suggest that players play ready golf "no matter what"

Common sense is a really good tool - there are lots of and lost of scenarios where people who are the furthest doesn't always need to go first , even on the tee there are scenarios where even if you have the honour it may just be more sensible for someone else to go before you. Are you really that precious that you must go first on the tee if you have the honour from the previous hole ? What if you are waiting for the group to clear but one of your FC couldn't ever reach them ? What of your waiting for the green to clear but a FC is laying up ? What if you have popped to the shop halfway when it's your honour or popped to the toilet - it's called common sense and using it whilst playing a round of golf.

Whilst slow play is a problem (to those who scoot round in under 3hrs) I think ready golf can also have a negative impact on the game. I was in a 5hr30min round yesterday and was waiting on every shot almost, it doesn't bother me that it was that long as the company was good and had a laugh. Is there a need for it to take so long? No. Did it happen, Yes, is there anything I could do yesterday to make it speed up, no as I'm not in control of others. It is what it is whether it's 5 hrs or 3.

And whilst you are happy with a 5hr 30 min round of golf and waiting on every shot the majority of people won't be hence why more people need to be more aware of others on the course and the pace of golf needs to improve.

 

[londonlewis]

I was in a 5hr30min round yesterday and was waiting on every shot almost, it doesn't bother me that it was that long as the company was good and had a laugh.

A 5.5 hour round would bother me.
I've got a little girl at home and a wife who likes me to help out around the house. 5.5 hours for a round + the travel to and from the course would mean I was out all day.

Additionally (more importantly?) I wouldn't want to be stood around waiting on every shot.

 

[3565]

To quote your argumentative theory which you do all the time and you pick up on certain points, and ignore other points and won't even agree to a valid point that contributes to the posts that anyone else says,

where did I suggest or state I'm happy playing 5hr30min round?

I said it doesn't bother me as it is what it is on the day, and my pace of play is dictated by those in front!

Mr Dawson is retiring soon why not apply for the job and get your agenda on board.......

 

[Deleted member 15344]

To quote your argumentative theory which you do all the time and you pick up on certain points, and ignore other points and won't even agree to a valid point that contributes to the posts that anyone else says,

where did I suggest or state I'm happy playing 5hr30min round?

I said it doesn't bother me as it is what it is on the day, and my pace of play is dictated by those in front!

Mr Dawson is retiring soon why not apply for the job and get your agenda on board.......

When you produce a valid point that I agree with or contributes then I'll acknowledge it :thup:

 

[3565]

A 5.5 hour round would bother me.
I've got a little girl at home and a wife who likes me to help out around the house. 5.5 hours for a round + the travel to and from the course would mean I was out all day.

Additionally (more importantly?) I wouldn't want to be stood around waiting on every shot.

that I can understand, and I've NEVER said it's right to be that long unlike someone who said I did! But unfortunately it was a competition and you have no control when 100+ players are their and I don't have a family that's why it's not much of an issue with me! If it was 3hrs30min then it's 3hrs 30min, but I think there are rulings in golf that could be changed/eradicated to help pace of play, but ultimately it starts at the top, the professionals, they need to buck their ideas up for it to happen at grass roots.

 

[3565]

When you produce a valid point that I agree with or contributes then I'll acknowledge it :thup:

Thatll be a first against your protagonists :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Thatll be a first against your protagonists :rofl:

All out of your system now ?

Back to thread subject now hopefully

Thankfully it appears the majority of people would prefer to play more ready golf whilst using their common sense

Hopefully that sort of desire and attitude can work it's way out onto the course and get people playing at a better pace

 

[ScienceBoy]

Some of the blame for slow play has to be on the clubs, overly challenging conditions for the clientele (ie uncut rough due to cost savings, too many lakes, rough not cut under trees etc) and tee times too close together.

A bit of organisation and care by clubs could speed up play too.

Pace of play is important, but a fast pace is not essential, I hate feeling rushed as much as being held up.

 

[3565]

Some of the blame for slow play has to be on the clubs, overly challenging conditions for the clientele (ie uncut rough due to cost savings, too many lakes, rough not cut under trees etc) and tee times too close together.

A bit of organisation and care by clubs could speed up play too.

Pace of play is important, but a fast pace is not essential, I hate feeling rushed as much as being held up.

a very good point, but not one which the OP will agree with.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Some of the blame for slow play has to be on the clubs, overly challenging conditions for the clientele (ie uncut rough due to cost savings, too many lakes, rough not cut under trees etc) and tee times too close together.

A bit of organisation and care by clubs could speed up play too.

Pace of play is important, but a fast pace is not essential, I hate feeling rushed as much as being held up.

Up to a point I agree with you but don't forget many are catering for their members who usually pay a not insignificant price for the privilege. As a result they tend to cater to them and present a testing course naturally it should be one that's playable for all. As I said earlier, four hours at my place is considered slow, even in a medal so I'd argue it has the balance right