Range Finders on Tour ?

[ManinBlack]

You can't increase anything infinitely

Try the number of decimal places in pi.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Try the number of decimal places in pi.

You have to be at infinity to have said that something has increased to the point - and you can never get to infinity - in fact you can never get any closer to infinity than where you are when you start towards it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And people on here tell me the football thread is boring😃

 

[ManinBlack]

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You have to be at infinity to have said that something has increased to the point - and you can never get to infinity - in fact you can never get any closer to infinity than where you are when you start towards it.

You're right. I think I was confusing infinity with "a lot". I'm a bit prone to exaggeration.

 

[dufferman]

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[Old Skier]

Who's going to be the first caddy to use the range finder and then go back to his old tried and tested method of a quick pace out because he doesn't have 100% confidence in the RF.

Slower play.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why would a caddy not have 100% confidence in a RF they already use every week to map out the course during practise rounds

 

[Old Skier]

Why would a caddy not have 100% confidence in a RF they already use every week to map out the course during practise rounds

If they already have done all the ground work during the practice round I'm now doubly unsure why they need to do it all again.

GPS and hand held lasers cannot be 100% accurate at all times so that may have an affect on their confidence. So not having caddied at that level I cannot answer your question.

 

[Fyldewhite]

I think the use is fully justified. As others have said, it simply gives you the information that a caddie would have given "back in the day" to all golfers. The notion that all players should have the play by "rack'o th'eye" is quite frankly a bit ridiculous.....but what price local knowledge under those rules!

As for the tour though, I don't think it will speed up play at all. The distance is not what they are talking about, the caddies provide this and the players trust it straight away. They are usually discussing wind, type of shot, possible trouble etc and they will continue to do this with DMD's or not.

 

[Piece]

Skimmed the thread and got confused by infinity discussion?!

I'm in favour of any golfer using what device they want as long as it doesn't detract from pace of play.

 

[Slab]

Are RF's currently subject to any build parameters/specs from USGA/R&A ?

 

[Roops]

I think there is still a lot skill in utilising the information a range finder provides. For example, It may 150 yds, but out of the rough, down wind, up hill, bare lie, cross wind, cold, hot etc etc. You still have to make a judgment on club, line, flight etc. The RF provides a number, how you choose to utilise that information is still a huge part of golf.

Pro wise, if it speeds up play, they should have them, however, I fear the caddies might just end up dicking about taking hundreds of measurements in case they lasered the tall bloke in the crowd and not the pin........

 

[Slab]

I think there is still a lot skill in utilising the information a range finder provides. For example, It may 150 yds, but out of the rough, down wind, up hill, bare lie, cross wind, cold, hot etc etc. You still have to make a judgment on club, line, flight etc. The RF provides a number, how you choose to utilise that information is still a huge part of golf.

Pro wise, if it speeds up play, they should have them, however, I fear the caddies might just end up dicking about taking hundreds of measurements in case they lasered the tall bloke in the crowd and not the pin........

I tend to agree but once you open that can (& RF's can already adjust distance for uphill/downhill) it'll be a matter of months before they have temp/humidity/wind speed/direction all built in too and we'll have the same back and forth discussion each new feature about still having to hit the shot and then the magnification will increase from x5 to x50 so you can watch the group in front putt close up and see pace/slope information in real-time... so I can well understand the reluctance to get the ball rolling

 

[hovis]

If they already have done all the ground work during the practice round I'm now doubly unsure why they need to do it all again.

GPS and hand held lasers cannot be 100% accurate at all times so that may have an affect on their confidence. So not having caddied at that level I cannot answer your question.

Why can't a hand held laser not be accurate all the time?. If you put a humans judgment against a laser the laser would win hands down every time

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I tend to agree but once you open that can (& RF's can already adjust distance for uphill/downhill) it'll be a matter of months before they have temp/humidity/wind speed/direction all built in too and we'll have the same back and forth discussion each new feature about still having to hit the shot and then the magnification will increase from x5 to x50 so you can watch the group in front putt close up and see pace/slope information in real-time... so I can well understand the reluctance to get the ball rolling

this is the sort of development where I see the risk and then issue arising. I also see it exacerbated by integration of on course playing conditions and scenario with a player's practice information and outcomes/decisions for the same combinations as will be provided and downloadable from the Cloud.

So for example the player is 152yds from the flag. His rangefinder tells him that and his GPS tells him exactly where he is on the fairway He knows the exact position of the flag on the green. The green protected front right by a bunker and is 31ft elevated from his ball position; air temperature is 20degC and there is a 10m/s wind from NNE - which resolves to 5.6m/s wind against. Pulling down practice information for this scenario from the Cloud the Device advises the player to hit a three-quarter 6iron over the middle of the right hand bunker as that is what his practice data when he has hit shots in practice adjusted for these conditions ans scenario tells him will give highest probability of a good outcome.

Maybe I exaggerate?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If they already have done all the ground work during the practice round I'm now doubly unsure why they need to do it all again.

GPS and hand held lasers cannot be 100% accurate at all times so that may have an affect on their confidence. So not having caddied at that level I cannot answer your question.

Well if they can use RF then the ground won't be as extensive

And why can't a laser be 100% accurate all the time ?

A caddy and player uses the laser every single week so already has confidence in them - that won't vanish because they are allowed to use it on the Thursday through to Sunday as well

 

[Deleted member 15344]

this is the sort of development where I see the risk and then issue arising. I also see it exacerbated by integration of on course playing conditions and scenario with a player's practice information and outcomes/decisions for the same combinations as will be provided and downloadable from the Cloud.

So for example the player is 152yds from the flag. His rangefinder tells him that and his GPS tells him exactly where he is on the fairway He knows the exact position of the flag on the green. The green protected front right by a bunker and is 31ft elevated from his ball position; air temperature is 20degC and there is a 10m/s wind from NNE - which resolves to 5.6m/s wind against. Pulling down practice information for this scenario from the Cloud the Device advises the player to hit a three-quarter 6iron over the middle of the right hand bunker as that is what his practice data when he has hit shots in practice adjusted for these conditions ans scenario tells him will give highest probability of a good outcome.

Maybe I exaggerate?

Yes believe you do

 

[Old Skier]

Why can't a hand held laser not be accurate all the time?. If you put a humans judgment against a laser the laser would win hands down every time

As someone who has worked with lasers all my working life all I can say is that weather and the ability for someone using a hand held device can AT TIMES have an effect. The GPS accuracy can also AT TIMES be effected by the devices inability to locate a satellite and its accuracy is enhanced by the number of sats it can detect.

To avoid a long drawnoutt side track of the thread can I just again mention that it is AT TIMES.

 

[Slab]

Yes believe you do

You could call it exaggeration maybe even scaremongering but isn’t it exactly this type of vision that the rule-makers need to apply to the sport to protect its future?

You simply can’t take the here and now and make changes without considering future impact, and the idea of permitting RF’s on tour on this thread seems to only consider the past/present & not the future

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You could call it exaggeration maybe even scaremongering but isn’t it exactly this type of vision that the rule-makers need to apply to the sport to protect its future?

You simply can’t take the here and now and make changes without considering future impact, and the idea of permitting RF’s on tour on this thread seems to only consider the past/present & not the future

Thankyou - exactly my point.