Push-Fade

[HawkeyeMS]

if i were aiming for the fairway on that hole ( nothing to do with the yellow and red lines) that would be a pull, but if my line was the red line it would be a draw?

It would be if the ball started along the red line and went left, but it doesn't, it starts right of the red line which is a push. Admittedly, 99% of the golfing world would just call this a draw but it is in fact a push draw to the picky ones amongst us

 

[JustOne]

if i were aiming for the fairway on that hole ( nothing to do with the yellow and red lines) that would be a pull, but if my line was the red line it would be a draw?

That is correct, the shot IS a draw as the player was lined up on the RED line. Previously you said it was a pull or a hook.

can you see the difference? The shot shape depends where you are lined up and what the ball does in relation to that alignment... FOR EXAMPLE you might have gone to your pro with that shot (or onto the forum) and said you were hooking (or pulling) it whereas in fact you were hitting a really nice little DRAW!!!! .....You'd then have gotten the WRONG ADVICE to fix it!!! and possibly broken your lovely draw by changing something in your swing that you never needed to change in the first place!

to be precise it's a little push-draw as the ball starts a little to the right of the players alignment, but let's not split hairs ....it draws... it doesn't pull or hook!!

 

[patricks148]

That is correct, the shot IS a draw as the player was lined up on the RED line. Previously you said it was a pull or a hook.

can you see the difference? The shot shape depends where you are lined up and what the ball does in relation to that alignment... FOR EXAMPLE you might have gone to your pro with that shot (or onto the forum) and said you were hooking (or pulling) it whereas in fact you were hitting a really nice little DRAW!!!! .....You'd then have gotten the WRONG ADVICE to fix it!!! and possibly broken your lovely draw by changing something in your swing that you never needed to change in the first place!

to be precise it's a little push-draw as the ball starts a little to the right of the players alignment, but let's not split hairs ....it draws... it doesn't pull or hook!!

but my point to Garath was , he was saying he hit a push/fade. but to me if he's aiming way left, the ball starts left and slices right. whats push about that.

I admit it is about alignment, but if i'm aiming straight and it goes right and fades a bit, i would call that a push fade.

 

[JustOne]

but my point to Garath was , he was saying he hit a push/fade. but to me if he's aiming way left, the ball starts left and slices right. whats push about that.

I admit it is about alignment, but if i'm aiming straight and it goes right and fades a bit, i would call that a push fade.

Ok.... bear with me.....

 

[duncan mackie]

but my point to Garath was , he was saying he hit a push/fade. but to me if he's aiming way left, the ball starts left and slices right. whats push about that.

the ball starting right of his alignment! It doesn't 'start left' of anything except the target - which is only relevant in the context of this discussion if the player is aligned to the target.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

but my point to Garath was , he was saying he hit a push/fade. but to me if he's aiming way left, the ball starts left and slices right. whats push about that.

I admit it is about alignment, but if i'm aiming straight and it goes right and fades a bit, i would call that a push fade.

The ball starts right of where he was aiming, therefore it's a push!

 

[JustOne]

Patrick, here's 4 little push-draws... call them draws if you like....

all the shots are exactly the same.. the ball (yellow line) starts a little right of the red line before curving back to it

[click to enlarge...]



To hit the flag on the front right of the green the player lines up to the right (top one of the 4 swings) then executes the swing, drawing the ball back to the red line... agreed so far?

 

[bluewolf]

Maybe in future, people could just describe the shot they want help with rather than naming it. Might help any confusion.

 

[patricks148]

The ball starts right of where he was aiming, therefore it's a push!

i understand -ish what you are saying, but i just seems to me putting a push fade is just dressing up a slice

 

[HawkeyeMS]

i understand -ish what you are saying, but i just seems to me putting a push fade is just dressing up a slice

You don't hit many fairways with a slice

 

[Foxholer]

but my point to Garath was , he was saying he hit a push/fade. but to me if he's aiming way left, the ball starts left and slices right. whats push about that.

I admit it is about alignment, but if i'm aiming straight and it goes right and fades a bit, i would call that a push fade.

It's all about 'TARGET LINE' aim/alignment - as opposed where you want the ball to end up, which is the target.

Here's a link to the 'New Ball Flight Laws' picture. If a straight shot works, then simply hit it straight. However, the diagram can be rotated clockwise or anti-clockwise (as your TARGET LINE or alignment does) and the appropriate shot shape performed. In the case of that depicted, 10 to 20 degrees of anti-clockwise rotation and a Push Fade - the dashed red line. Note: It's only for clarity/differentiation that the Push Fade is shown as being further right!

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...LIe60QWe64HYDw&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQ9QEwAg&dur=2109

 

[patricks148]

Patrick, here's 4 little push-draws... call them draws if you like....

all the shots are exactly the same.. the ball (yellow line) starts a little right of the red line before curving back to it

[click to enlarge...]

View attachment 3740



To hit the flag on the front right of the green the player lines up to the right (top one of the 4 swings) then executes the swing, drawing the ball back to the red line... agreed so far?

yep, go on

 

[JustOne]

Ok... so here's a push-fade.... missing the green on the right....

the ball starts to the right... and moves more right...... agreed?

[click to enlarge..]

 

[JustOne]

So here's that EXACT same shot... nothing has changed.. the guy is still hitting a push-fade...




and here's that exact same shot again... but this time I'll add a tree..... so it's still a push-fade... aimed at a TREE




now lets do nothing with that picture apart from rotate the entire thing so we can look at it from a different angle... same swing, same push-fade shot aimed at a tree , I'm just turning the picture 20 degrees... (tilt your head to the right to confirm that it's just been rotated)




now compare that to Gareth's picture..... the yellow line... see anything familiar?

This is the shot that you said was a slice and "starts left and goes right" :thup: whereas in fact it starts right... and goes more right.

 

[patricks148]

So here's that EXACT same shot... nothing has changed.. the guy is still hitting a push-fade...

View attachment 3742


and here's that exact same shot again... but this time I'll add a tree..... so it's still a push-fade... aimed at a TREE

View attachment 3743


now lets do nothing with that picture apart from rotate the entire thing so we can look at it from a different angle... same swing, same push-fade shot aimed at a tree , I'm just turning the picture 20 degrees... (tilt your head to the right to confirm that it's just been rotated)

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now compare that to Gareth's picture..... the yellow line... see anything familiar?

This is the shot that you said was a slice and "starts left and goes right" :thup: whereas in fact it starts right... and goes more right.

i can sort of see where you are coming from, but to me thats still just a slice.

if you have to aim left of target to allow for a slice, its still.. well a slice.

well done for trying though

 

[JustOne]

Well in that case Jack Nicklaus sliced his way to 18 majors



Anyway, that's a push-fade. It goes miles when hit well...with a lot of carry, and that's what the pros play :thup:

 

[patricks148]

Well in that case Jack Nicklaus sliced his way to 18 majors



Anyway, that's a push-fade. It goes miles when hit well...with a lot of carry, and that's what the pros play :thup:

I'll take your word for it, as i've never really seen Jack hit a shot as such. I only played my first game of golf in Oct 2005 then only got some clubs in march 2006 and joint a club then. Ive never really watched golf and hardly do now apart from the odd half hour here and there.

what about a block, does that start anything but right and keeps going right?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

i can sort of see where you are coming from, but to me thats still just a slice.

if you have to aim left of target to allow for a slice, its still.. well a slice.

well done for trying though

You need to re-adjust your definition of slice my friend

 

[patricks148]

You need to re-adjust your definition of slice my friend

why?

if you have to aim well left and hit the ball out to in, is that not a slice?

dress it up what ever way you want, pull/ fade, fade whatever makes you happy.

 

[JustOne]

what about a block, does that start anything but right and keeps going right?

why the wink???

Here's Fred Couples.... he hits a block pretty much all of the time....

........ won The Masters so I gather

"Looks like Freddie's going to hit it in the house on the left....."

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