Push-Fade

DarthVega said:
brilliant, its just out my head- I must think like Jack, for the avoidance of doubt I've never read anything Jack has written......woohooooo tour school here I come;)
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Ironically people who play a draw (playing up the right side) should be looking to end up in the left rough as a bad shot..... which is effectively a GOOD shot as they can play ANOTHER draw from there....

but drawers of the ball NEVER see it that way :confused:
 
JustOne said:
Patrick, if the guy is lined up square to the RED line what is the shot shape in PINK
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To me the yellow path means you have a fault in your swing and you are aiming left into trouble so that your fault will get you out the trees. If you dont fix that fault you will be in many other fairways where you wont be able to do this. The purple path is a draw to me.

I think the best way to play that shot is to hit a straight fade.
 
SocketRocket said:
To me the yellow path means you have a fault in your swing and you are aiming left into trouble so that your fault will get you out the trees. If you dont fix that fault you will be in many other fairways where you wont be able to do this. The purple path is a draw to me.

I think the best way to play that shot is to hit a straight fade.
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This is Tiger hitting that yellow ball flight..

[video=youtube;oSxk2r--ZuM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSxk2r--ZuM[/video]



he is aiming at the trees behind the bunkers on the left........ he has a swing fault?
 
SocketRocket said:
To me the yellow path means you have a fault in your swing and you are aiming left into trouble so that your fault will get you out the trees. If you dont fix that fault you will be in many other fairways where you wont be able to do this. The purple path is a draw to me.

I think the best way to play that shot is to hit a straight fade.
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You know I'm actually taken aback seeing you post that Socket, I'm literally in shock :mad:
 
patricks148 said:
You see i would call that a pull/hook?

Our pro was trying to get me to hit pushes earier this year and none started left all went right like a draw and stayed out right and the odd one tailed a bit (fade). to my understanding that would be a push /fade. I could be wrong, i'm not one for tech stuff on the swing.
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How would it be a pull if it starts right of where the player is aiming, it has to be a push.
 
JustOne said:
This is Tiger hitting that yellow ball flight..

[video=youtube;oSxk2r--ZuM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSxk2r--ZuM[/video]

he is aiming at the trees behind the bunkers on the left........ he has a swing fault?
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I dont agree. It's difficult to see as the camera is not directly behind him. It looks to me that he is aimed fairly square if not a tad left, he then hits the ball initially straight on his alignment from where it later makes a fade. This is, as I suggested earlier the best and most powerful way to fade.

I do agree that Tiger has a swing fault, he pushes the ball into the rough more than most tour players. His great recovery and short game makes up for it though.
 
JustOne said:
Monty was (generally) a pull-fader, so is Kaymer... so? ...Is the thread about pull-faders? :confused:
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Did wonder about Monty. Still an in-to-out swing by the looks.

Kaymer tried to change - daftly imo - for success at Masters. I think he has returned to his 'natural' swing now though.

Why mention another Pull-Fader (Kaymer) btw :confused: :D
 
SocketRocket said:
I dont agree. It's difficult to see as the camera is not directly behind him. It looks to me that he is aimed fairly square if not a tad left, he then hits the ball initially straight on his alignment from where it later makes a fade. This is, as I suggested earlier the best and most powerful way to fade.

I do agree that Tiger has a swing fault, he pushes the ball into the rough more than most tour players. His great recovery and short game makes up for it though.
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Um... OK.

Tiger1.jpg



FWIW, Tiger used to hit the ball directly into the right rough a lot as he used to play for a draw.... and blocked it quite often. He's now hitting push-fade more often (with both drives and irons) and was leading the driving stats at one time.
 
JustOne said:
This is Tiger hitting that yellow ball flight..

[video=youtube;oSxk2r--ZuM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSxk2r--ZuM[/video]



he is aiming at the trees behind the bunkers on the left........ he has a swing fault?
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just looked at this as well and is this not just a fade?

why is there any push about it?
 
patricks148 said:
just looked at this as well and is this not just a fade?

why is there any push about it?
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His target line is just to the left of the bunkers , the ball flight is to the right hand side of the most right bunker. So he effectively pushed his shot in relation to his target line.... and the ball fades... so it must be a push fade. :)
 
patricks148 said:
just looked at this as well and is this not just a fade?

why is there any push about it?
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Because as per JO's picture, with the way Tiger is aimed, if he hit it straight it would end up in the right edge of the bunker but it actually starts to the right of the bunker, it's not a lot but it is still a push
 
Foxholer said:
Did wonder about Monty. Still an in-to-out swing by the looks.

Kaymer tried to change - daftly imo - for success at Masters. I think he has returned to his 'natural' swing now though.

Why mention another Pull-Fader btw :confused: :D
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There are about 10 pull-faders in the history of Tour golf.... the rest hit push-fades. I can dig some more pull-faders up for you if you want?

For the sake of it, here's one more... :D:D

[video=youtube;xQkpk097qBg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQkpk097qBg[/video]
 
JustOne said:
There are about 10 pull-faders in the history of Tour golf.... the rest hit push-fades. I can dig some more pull-faders up for you if you want?

For the sake of it, here's one more... :D:D

[video=youtube;xQkpk097qBg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQkpk097qBg[/video]
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Now that is a pull fade if ever I saw one
 
cookelad said:
Being a bit simplistic and seeing it from my POV! I'd expect to hit a draw/push-draw so aligning left and drawing it into the heavy stuff would mean my alignment was off!
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ah - OK. I just thought JO was doing a good job trying to illustrate the point that the direction of the target was irrelevant in this context; but then I had to arrange tea and (I think) Patrick's on the same wavelength now (maybe :) )
 
JustOne said:
Yes, it is. It's the same shot as the first picture.

So what's the pink line on the picture by Gareth? (turn your head sideways a little if it helps...)

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if i were aiming for the fairway on that hole ( nothing to do with the yellow and red lines) that would be a pull, but if my line was the red line it would be a draw?
 
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