Push-Fade

[HawkeyeMS]

You get pretty much zero roll from a faded drive, even more so at this time of year.

How high are you hitting it? If you're talking about a driver then unless it's coming down vertically or is loaded with more backspin than anyone would want, a fade gets plenty of run. i know there is a theory that a draw goes furhter than a fade but I would imagine the difference is pretty negligible to most players.

 

[One Planer]

How high are you hitting it? If you're talking about a driver then unless it's coming down vertically or is loaded with more backspin than anyone would want, a fade gets plenty of run. i know there is a theory that a draw goes furhter than a fade but I would imagine the difference is pretty negligible to most players.

I'm with Hawkeye.

I get plenty of run, especially with the driver and I play the push fade.

 

[patricks148]

I'm with Hawkeye.

I get plenty of run, especially with the driver and I play the push fade.

how are you getting run on a push fade, everything must land in the right rough?

Unless every hole is dogleg right?

 

[Lump]

How high are you hitting it? If you're talking about a driver then unless it's coming down vertically or is loaded with more backspin than anyone would want, a fade gets plenty of run. i know there is a theory that a draw goes furhter than a fade but I would imagine the difference is pretty negligible to most players.

I don't hit a high high ball (it doesnt balloon anyways) but at this time of year it'll not roll much more than more than 2-3 yrds max. (Im not hitting down on my driver too, before anyone peeps up.)

 

[One Planer]

how are you getting run on a push fade, everything must land in the right rough?

Unless every hole is dogleg right?

An example for you Patrick, from one of the straightest holes at my local course.

Only a rough image, I'll admit.

The red line shows my alignment. There is a row of 4 large trees left of the fairway. I align myself along a line at the second tree from the left. The ball starts right of this, on the end right big tree

Yellow line shows my typical flight and where I usually finish. Flight starts straight at the end big tree (Push), then fades back into the fairway.

 

[StrangelyBrown]

The red line shows my alignment.

I couldn't bring myself to aim where a straight shot would put me in trouble.

 

[One Planer]

I couldn't bring myself to aim where a straight should would put me in trouble.

Minimum risk for me SB.

If I just hit a push from there, I'll still end up on the fairway, just closer to the end tree. If I hit a straight pull or a hook I end up on the next fairway and still have a sight at the green.

I'll only get in trouble if I hit it straight along my alignment

 

[StrangelyBrown]

Minimum risk for me SB.

If it works for you then more power to you Gareth

Aiming into trouble (OOB even) would give me the heebie jeebies :O

 

[patricks148]

An example for you Patrick, from one of the straightest holes at my local course.

Only a rough image, I'll admit.

The red line shows my alignment. There is a row of 4 large trees left of the fairway. I align myself along a line at the second tree from the left. The ball starts right of this, on the end right big tree

Yellow line shows my typical flight and where I usually finish. Flight starts straight at the end big tree (Push), then fades back into the fairway.

my understanding is that a push fade starts right like a draw but carries on going right maybe tails at the end. What you have there dear boy is a slice. starts left and goes right.

 

[One Planer]

my understanding is that a push fade starts right like a draw but carries on going right maybe tails at the end. What you have there dear boy is a slice. starts left and goes right.

But it doesn't start left. The ball starts to the right of my alignment, so a push. It flys straight then begins to fade towards the top of its flight.

If it didn't fade it would just be a push. As it 90%+ of the time it fades, it's got to be a push fade.

 

[StrangelyBrown]

What you have there dear boy is a slice. starts left and goes right.

I LOL'd

 

[patricks148]

But it doesn't start left. The ball starts to the right of my alignment, so a push. It flys straight then begins to fade towards the top of its flight.

If it didn't fade it would just be a push. As it 90%+ of the time it fades, it's got to be a push fade.

the line drawn starts left, and goes right, if it was a push it would start right and no time go left. I hit a few on Sunday and every one stayed right of the fairway.

If you are aiming left to allow for it its a Fade, our as we call it up here a slice

 

[JustOne]

I couldn't bring myself to aim where a straight shot would put me in trouble.

The clubface isn't aiming at the trouble though (see the Tiger drive vid above), and because you are lined left you know the ball will move more away from the trouble, even 1yd and you're safe.

 

[JustOne]

If you are aiming left to allow for it its a Fade, our as we call it up here a slice

You're kind of right, but in your terms, it's a slice with a swing from the inside... not an 'over the top' swing. Again, if you watch the Tiger drive vid is that a slice?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

the line drawn starts left, and goes right, if it was a push it would start right and no time go left. I hit a few on Sunday and every one stayed right of the fairway.

If you are aiming left to allow for it its a Fade, our as we call it up here a slice

You're forgetting the basis to determine what is right or left is the aim line, not the middle of the fairway. I don't aim as far left as Gareth, the left edge of the fairway would do for me, normally the ball would start further right than where I aim, which is the key point, and is hence a push, it then Fades tot he right ending up in the right half of the fairway.

 

[JustOne]

my understanding is that a push fade starts right like a draw but carries on going right maybe tails at the end. What you have there dear boy is a slice. starts left and goes right.

Patrick, if the guy is lined up square to the RED line what is the shot shape in PINK
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[CMAC]

Minimum risk for me SB.

If I just hit a push from there, I'll still end up on the fairway, just closer to the end tree. If I hit a straight pull or a hook I end up on the next fairway and still have a sight at the green.

I'll only get in trouble if I hit it straight along my alignment

If it works for you then more power to you Gareth

Aiming into trouble (OOB even) would give me the heebie jeebies :O

Gareth also has more fairway to play with (assuming consistancy), if a fairway is 20 yds wide and you aim up the middle your margin of error is 10yds either side, aiming up the left he has 20yds of fairway for the first bounce........in theory

 

[patricks148]

Patrick, if the guy is lined up square to the RED line what is the shot shape in PINK
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You see i would call that a pull/hook?

Our pro was trying to get me to hit pushes earier this year and none started left all went right like a draw and stayed out right and the odd one tailed a bit (fade). to my understanding that would be a push /fade. I could be wrong, i'm not one for tech stuff on the swing.

 

[JustOne]

You see i would call that a pull/hook?

Our pro was trying to get me to hit pushes earier this year and none started left all went right like a draw and stayed out right and the odd one tailed a bit (fade). to my understanding that would be a push /fade. I could be wrong, i'm not one for tech stuff on the swing.

The pink shot: Can you not see that if the guy was aimed along the RED line then he's pushed the ball out to the right of his alignment and it then curves back to the left?

the pink shot in this case is a push-draw.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Playing a gentle high fade is one of my favourite shots. I feel so much of it is I see it in my head and translate that picture into the feeling the shot then actually playing it.