Push-Fade

[Foxholer]

my understanding is that a push fade starts right like a draw but carries on going right maybe tails at the end. What you have there dear boy is a slice. starts left and goes right.

It does. But only in relation to 'Target'. So adjusting what the 'target' is (further left, say left trees).

Try an Animal Farm analogy! Not all fades are equal!

Hitting a Push-Fade with 'target' of left trees will likely achieve the same result as a Pull Fade with 'target' of edge of left rough. Pull-Fade has out-to-in path (relative to 'target'); Push-Fade has in-to-out path (relative to 'target'. Both have face aligned left of desired end position.

That's why it's so important to understand the correct ball flight laws.

 

[JustOne]

That's why it's so important to understand the correct ball flight laws.

I thought you said it wasn't important on 'another' thread......







I'm JOKING!!!!!! It was a joke.... just kidding...... thought it was funny, that's all :thup:

 

[JustOne]

Gareth also has more fairway to play with (assuming consistancy), if a fairway is 20 yds wide and you aim up the middle your margin of error is 10yds either side, aiming up the left he has 20yds of fairway for the first bounce........in theory

That is Jack Nicklaus' theory word for word, he had the whole fairway and never missed one to the left, he'd taken the left side (miss to the left) out of play as he never hooked or drew one off the tee.

His worse tee shot ended up in the right rough... from where he could play ANOTHER fade ..... and he was one of the longest hitters of his time... if not THE longest.

 

[Foxholer]

I'm JOKING!!!!!! It was a joke.... just kidding...... thought it was funny, that's all :thup:

I don't believe you!

I thought you said it wasn't important on 'another' thread......

Er. No I didn't!
You are inventing statements that haven't been made again, just like Bob objected to.:angry:

BTW. What's the obsession with Pink. A much more succinct explanation than mine though. :thup:

 

[richy]

I much prefer reading these types of threads. :thup:

 

[JustOne]

I said you need to know the ball flight laws to teach (and fix) your own swing....

you replied...

Well, they seemed to do a pretty good job of it! Especially the greatest exponents of the game at the time, who preached and applied the incorrect method, yet somehow manufactured the correct results!

and now in this thread you've said...

That's why it's so important to understand the correct ball flight laws.

Come on Foxy... or it is or it isn't? :cheers:

Isn't this very thread an example of how it's important to know the ball flight laws? after all you said it yourself above!

 

[JustOne]

Gareth also has more fairway to play with (assuming consistancy), if a fairway is 20 yds wide and you aim up the middle your margin of error is 10yds either side, aiming up the left he has 20yds of fairway for the first bounce........in theory

That is Jack Nicklaus' theory word for word, he had the whole fairway and never missed one to the left, he'd taken the left side (miss to the left) out of play as he never hooked or drew one off the tee. His worst tee shot ended up in the right rough... from where he could play ANOTHER fade ..... and he was one of the longest hitters of his time... if not THE longest.

Here's a pic of Curtis Strange hitting a push-fade (see how far left he's aimed).... he must be quite good seeing as it's taken from the Ryder Cup [click pic to enlarge...]



(note: part of this post is duplicated as the first effort got sent to the mods for 'approval' that glitch is getting VERY irritating!)

 

[patricks148]

The pink shot: Can you not see that if the guy was aimed along the RED line then he's pushed the ball out to the right of his alignment and it then curves back to the left?

the pink shot in this case is a push-draw.

I didn't know thye red line was included. My point being if you were aiming way left all the time its not a push??

 

[patricks148]

That is Jack Nicklaus' theory word for word, he had the whole fairway and never missed one to the left, he'd taken the left side (miss to the left) out of play as he never hooked or drew one off the tee. His worst tee shot ended up in the right rough... from where he could play ANOTHER fade ..... and he was one of the longest hitters of his time... if not THE longest.

Here's a pic of Curtis Strange hitting a push-fade (see how far left he's aimed).... he must be quite good seeing as it's taken from the Ryder Cup [click pic to enlarge...]

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(note: part of this post is duplicated as the first effort got sent to the mods for 'approval' that glitch is getting VERY irritating!)

is that not just a fade?

 

[JustOne]

I didn't know thye red line was included. My point being if you were aiming way left all the time its not a push??

No problem Patrick I'll see if I can help you here....

Here's a picture of a guy hitting a PUSH-DRAW

do you agree that it's a push draw?

[click the pic to enlarge....]

 

[patricks148]

No problem Patrick I'll see if I can help you here....

Here's a picture of a guy hitting a PUSH-DRAW

do you agree that it's a push draw?

[click the pic to enlarge....]


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For me that would just be a draw?

If it were to end up much further right i would call that a push draw??

 

[JustOne]

Ok... so you call that a draw.. it is in fact a push-draw as the ball heads a little to the right and then curves back... but let's agree with you and say it's a DRAW.....

how about now???? [click pic to enlarge...]

 

[brendy]

The slight push draw would be my normal shot. Occasionally I try to hit a fade and I either slice it or double cross myself and it ends up even further into the cabbage. I do tend to aim just off the right sided of the fairway when I know I should be aiming just inside it.

 

[cookelad]

Ok... so you call that a draw.. it is in fact a push-draw as the ball heads a little to the right and then curves back... but let's agree with you and say it's a DRAW.....

how about now???? [click pic to enlarge...]

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Alignments to pot/You need to change your glasses?

 

[JustOne]

Alignments to pot/You need to change your glasses?

.... you're not helping!!!!! LOL

 

[duncan mackie]

Alignments to pot/You need to change your glasses?

why?

 

[cookelad]

why?

Being a bit simplistic and seeing it from my POV! I'd expect to hit a draw/push-draw so aligning left and drawing it into the heavy stuff would mean my alignment was off!

 

[patricks148]

Ok... so you call that a draw.. it is in fact a push-draw as the ball heads a little to the right and then curves back... but let's agree with you and say it's a DRAW.....

how about now???? [click pic to enlarge...]

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feels like being back a school, when i was struggling to grasp the finer points of Latin!!

The bottom green line i would say was a fade and the top a push?

 

[JustOne]

Patrick, the green lines are the edges of the fairway... :thup:

I'm trying to ascertain what is the difference between this (yellow line) that you said is a draw ....



and this (yellow line) which is the SAME SHOT but with the fairway/green drawn in



(nb: I'm not trying to be patronising... I know it's like a school day.... I'm just trying to help)

 

[CMAC]

That is Jack Nicklaus' theory word for word, he had the whole fairway and never missed one to the left, he'd taken the left side (miss to the left) out of play as he never hooked or drew one off the tee. His worst tee shot ended up in the right rough... from where he could play ANOTHER fade ..... and he was one of the longest hitters of his time... if not THE longest.

brilliant, its just out my head- I must think like Jack, for the avoidance of doubt I've never read anything Jack has written......woohooooo tour school here I come