robinthehood
Hacker
Fwiw You can't be certain about the one that hit the flag dropping .
potential problem with the new 'flag in' rule !
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Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Golf is full of poor shots that don't get punished (didn't someone get a HIO after bouncing off a tree!) and full of good shots that don't get rewarded (nasty kick off a sprinkler head anyone!)
Maybe if the flag was out the player would've subconsciously hit with less pace, you cant second guess these things or you'll go loopy
Just a bit of attitude adjustment required under the rules as they are now, it'll take a wee bit of time I suspect
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
The guy who hit the pin was probably secretly buzzing his socks off but was afraid to say to his 3 scowling playing partners through a barrage of tuts and calls of dumbing down the game.
I can put a different spin on it if you like.
The flag in will reward an aggressive putt that is hit on line.
I can put a different spin on it if you like.
The flag in will reward an aggressive putt that is hit on line.
Played Saturday in a 4 ball. First Saturday morning game in 2019. Not out until 10 so plenty of fourballa in front
Flag in until someone removed it, then stayed out. Common sense really.
Saved 20 minutes using new rules. Was nice to get round in 3h45 with a sausage bap stop halfway. Waited on the odd shot but not too bad overall. Pace was always just the wrong side of 4hrs in the same slot last year so hoping this speeds things up regularly and wasn't a one off.
If a standard members course (sub 6500 yards) on a weekday social round takes 4 hours to get around with nobody in front then that's a very slow group imo.
Flag in until someone removed it, then stayed out. Common sense really.
Saved 20 minutes using new rules. Was nice to get round in 3h45 with a sausage bap stop halfway. Waited on the odd shot but not too bad overall. Pace was always just the wrong side of 4hrs in the same slot last year so hoping this speeds things up regularly and wasn't a one off.
If a standard members course (sub 6500 yards) on a weekday social round takes 4 hours to get around with nobody in front then that's a very slow group imo.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
People do play faster in winter because it’s freezing .
Shorter course etc.
We will see when the proper comps start how times go .
Can’t see it making that much difference really.
We are usually governed by the games ahead and waste most time standing on the tee, but if games in front are faster it’s only going to help.
Shorter course etc.
We will see when the proper comps start how times go .
Can’t see it making that much difference really.
We are usually governed by the games ahead and waste most time standing on the tee, but if games in front are faster it’s only going to help.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Mygolfspy have done their test.
https://mygolfspy.com/flagstick-in-flagstick-out-2019-new-golf-rules/
https://mygolfspy.com/flagstick-in-flagstick-out-2019-new-golf-rules/
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Wow. Some of those results are more radical than I thought. On the '9 foot past' test from 80% to 5% holed for example! No contest. As suspected the off-centre ones don't make a vast difference though. Still pretty conclusive, you will hole more putts with the flag in.
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
I can see this rule being abolished and going back to flag always out.
As I said a while back it’s an advantage leaving the flag in from distance.
Lee Westwood said yesterday he would be leaving the flag in from distance hoping that if it was going past he hoped the flag in would stop it.
As I said a while back it’s an advantage leaving the flag in from distance.
Lee Westwood said yesterday he would be leaving the flag in from distance hoping that if it was going past he hoped the flag in would stop it.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
lol why on earth would they change it back? Do you seriously think the rulemakers didn't test it out and know that it would be a slight advantage for putts that were too hard? Of course it's an advantage but the same advantage for anyone.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
I don't fully understand the idea of just leaving it in from distance. Granted there is a small chance of of hitting the pin from long range but it is unlikely.
The main advantage is to he gained when actually attempting to get the ball in the hole from inside 15 feet.
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A few of the pros have said they may see it changed for their comps
McGinley was saying the rule was brought in not to help the golfers get the ball in the hole , not to help them out - it was brought in for pace of play purposes only - the Pros have caddies so they have no pace of play issues around the flag out or in so it’s purely for performance only which then imo whilst playing to the rules is not really in the spirit of the game - it’s using something to potentially help the ball get in the hole. So he questioned why its being allowed - wouldn’t surprise if it was changed , rule changes shouldn’t be there to make the game “easier†and to help golfers when they are poor putters or mistakes
McGinley was saying the rule was brought in not to help the golfers get the ball in the hole , not to help them out - it was brought in for pace of play purposes only - the Pros have caddies so they have no pace of play issues around the flag out or in so it’s purely for performance only which then imo whilst playing to the rules is not really in the spirit of the game - it’s using something to potentially help the ball get in the hole. So he questioned why its being allowed - wouldn’t surprise if it was changed , rule changes shouldn’t be there to make the game “easier†and to help golfers when they are poor putters or mistakes
robinthehood
Hacker
Yeah I don't see it being revoked. It's only an advantage for putts that are online and hit to hard, i can't see this rule knocking too many shots of handicaps
Beezerk
Money List Winner
Blimey that's pretty conclusive. Shame they didn't do a test with the flag leaning sideways but I'll be leaving it in most of the time now.
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
We will see
Calm down though mate it’s only an observation.
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Or as Lee Westwood said impossible to stop putts.
These pro golfers are extremely accurate from long range.
Time will tell,but if the R&A see that leaving it in is a major advantage they could change it back.
And the argument that it’s the same for everyone is completely false unless everyone is leaving it in,and they are not.
robinthehood
Hacker
They're not that accurate. Look at the percent off putts made from distance, once you get past 10 /12 feet out the numbers really drop off.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Everyone has the option of leaving it in. So they have the same 'advantage'.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
New rules have been tried in the past, found to be either not working or taking up time and have been changed.
It wouldn't surprise me if this one was changed again in a year or two. R&A maybe happy with it, no doubt they'll be monitoring it.
It wouldn't surprise me if this one was changed again in a year or two. R&A maybe happy with it, no doubt they'll be monitoring it.
I can't see them changing the rules to not allow the flag to be left in for pro events. Surely that's a small step on the road to bifurication
I must have been tested but over a course of a season how much difference and an advantage will a pro really get and most are creatures of habit and will get the caddy to remove it anyway
I must have been tested but over a course of a season how much difference and an advantage will a pro really get and most are creatures of habit and will get the caddy to remove it anyway
