Foxholer
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Not necessarily factual - as different players have different misses, but objective.
Perceived forgiveness.
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Not necessarily factual - as different players have different misses, but objective.
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Alex1975
Guest
Its ineradicably strange but the random anomalies with things like the Callaway X Forged have been explained away by vertical and horizontal forgiveness. For the most part it is interesting and his methods are interesting but I have to fall short of preaching about it or even using it to chose irons as there are some unexplainables. I have not found anything else that quantifies forgiveness though and I have looked plenty.
kid2
Money List Winner
I agree Al..... Iv read so many debates about this workability thing I find it amusing...... Iv often read tge phrase you can't hit knock down shots with this club or that club because the centre of gravity is lower.... Or theres too much offset that I can't bend the ball enough left or right... To me that's complete nonsense.... I think any club can be manipulated.....
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
But, to be fair, it is easier with some than others....
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Alex1975
Guest
Easier with your Orka than your Titleist would you say or a more extreme example.. G20 v MP 58 say?
Unrelated but I have to ask... What about the "awesomeness"? Pretty sure AP2 don't come with it as standard!
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Ive got a set of blades, some players cavity backs, some GI stuff. Some combo sets, etc. Tried it all, got the lot.
Insightful bit coming up (don't hold your breath).
If you are a good ball striker, it makes no odds what you hit. You can play anything.
If your ball striking is terrible, it makes no odds what you hit. No one has yet made a forgiving hozel, or bottom edge.
You also can play anything.
If you are a half decent ball striker then you're in no man's land. Buy something that works.it may not be what you would want though.
Insightful bit coming up (don't hold your breath).
If you are a good ball striker, it makes no odds what you hit. You can play anything.
If your ball striking is terrible, it makes no odds what you hit. No one has yet made a forgiving hozel, or bottom edge.
You also can play anything.
If you are a half decent ball striker then you're in no man's land. Buy something that works.it may not be what you would want though.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Easier with your Orka than your Titleist would you say or a more extreme example.. G20 v MP 58 say?
Unrelated but I have to ask... What about the "awesomeness"? Pretty sure AP2 don't come with it as standard!
Hitting a draw/fade with the 58's or the Orka's was pretty straight-forward. With the Ap2's it's still relatively straight-forward although they want to hit straighter, I would suspect with G20 it would be pretty hard, do-able, but not impossible.
The Orka's are awesome, they truly are.
They're not going anywhere, unless someone makes me an offer, but I can't get away with a miss hit or a slightly off square face. I was hitting some humungous hooks and slices, pushes and pulls but the AP2's just seem straighter - not that I can't hit a stinker with them too but it's doesn't smell as bad!
I think I'm in Murph's "No Mans Land", a half-decent ball striker. On a good day I can handle bladeyness, most of the time it's a hinderance
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
maybe if you played more forgiving clubs that are designed to help you, you may lose the high handicap?
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Alex1975
Guest
maybe if you played more forgiving clubs that are designed to help you, you may lose the high handicap?
There is always one..../sigh!
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
It seems perfectly logical surely?
kid2
Money List Winner
Murg, I think its an awful lot down to sole design also..... Iv tried Ping G20's Callaway Razr's Taylormade Burner 2.0's but i just could not seem to hit them as good as my own...... It may have had something to do with the sole being a little wider than im used to...
I guess if i had maybe played a full round with one or the other of the above i might have a change of opinion....Strangely i love the look of the Ping G20 Irons and im sure they would help in the long run if i was to play with them but Iv had them bounce off the ground coming into the ball when iv tried them.....
I get more of a pinch with my FG Tours....
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I had TM Tour Preferred and these are classed as "Player Clubs". Not out and out blades and have a nice cavity and thinnish top line and I could hit them OK. I wanted to upgrade but went for the G25 to give me more forgiveness on my not so good ball striking days. It has helped but having played OK with the TP's I still think I'm capable of hitting a perceived better club. I know from the TP's that there is a built in degree of forgiveness but there is a noticeable trade off on distance on off centre hits whereas the G25's do give better results even off the toe although of course distance is still down
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Had these thoughts recently.
The sole on the Orka's is "waffer-thin" in the mid irons.
Sole on the RXT's and AP2's is a little wider.
kid2
Money List Winner
maybe if you played more forgiving clubs that are designed to help you, you may lose the high handicap?
I cant get my head around these types of statements....... Handicap is not a reflection of how good or bad you are with irons.....
The strongest part of my game is my iron play... Putting and short game a close second......
Gareth has dropped 4 shots with 2 different sets of irons..... To me he is loosing shots off his handicap....
You can drop shots anywhere around the course from any handicap with any part of your game so to say his handicap is high because of his Irons i think is nuts!!!!!
kid2
Money List Winner
Your AP2's are very similar to Mine Murg..... their not to big or small.... Just right.....
Evesdad
Tour Winner
Well I need all the help I can get and for that reason next week I'm going g25.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I have decided that irons are totally irrelevant.
Drive into the trees, wedge out, wedge on, putt. That is the way forwards. It matters not how many irons, or what make / brand you carry. They never get hit, any of them.
Lessons should be on driver or putter only.
Short game is irrelevant too, who can't hit the green with a wedge?
Drive into the trees, wedge out, wedge on, putt. That is the way forwards. It matters not how many irons, or what make / brand you carry. They never get hit, any of them.
Lessons should be on driver or putter only.
Short game is irrelevant too, who can't hit the green with a wedge?
kid2
Money List Winner
HughJars
Q-School Graduate
I cant get my head around these types of statements - great with irons, around green and putting.....handicap 11.
Robobum
Money List Winner
The more I look and think about this, the more I'm set on going to a combo set.
AP 1s in 3-6i & AP 2s 7-PW.
Hmmm, how much would I get for 2nd hand MP 60s??
AP 1s in 3-6i & AP 2s 7-PW.
Hmmm, how much would I get for 2nd hand MP 60s??
