wrighty1874
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Might have been 3 lucky richochets!!
Oscar Pistorius
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Might have been 3 lucky richochets!!
USER1999
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She wasn't in the bathroom, she was in the loo, which was 1.2m by 1.2m. I'm guessing if you fire 4 shots into this space, your chances of killing someone are pretty high.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
If I heard it right on the News, he woke up, got a fan from the balcony and then heard a noise from the loo, got his gun, felt vulnerable because he didn't have his legs on and fired.
If he didn't have his legs on, how did he get the fan from the balcony...?
If he didn't have his legs on, how did he get the fan from the balcony...?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
The South African justice system seems very strange to me with the whole thing being played out in the papers. Seems very strange to me how someone can put 3 bullets through their girlfriend through a door by accident without as the very least shouting 'is that you love' before you popped a cap in their ass. I mean, if someone is behind a closed door and you are packing heat then why do you need to fire straight away?
Anyway, if OJ got away with what he did then I am sure Oscar can.
Anyway, if OJ got away with what he did then I am sure Oscar can.
He's quite active on his stumps TBH.
There have been many conflicting reports so far as on last nights news the top prosecutor actually said he came in from the balcony after hearing a noise fearing it was a burglar and put his legs on, grabbed his gun by the side of hid bed (paranoid or what!), fired a serious of shots at the door and then shouted to his girlfriend to phone police but only then noticing she wasn't in the bed! FFS, who would buy that!
I think this guy has paranoia issues and what burglar goes into an occupied house and thinks, I'll have a pish first!
GUILTY
Crazyface
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This.
One Planer
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For the most part I agree.
But......
You have to also consider the fact this is South Africa. Not the safest of countries at the best of times and from what I can gather, this area, although affluent, is no different.
Theives over there are probably tooled up (Carry a firearm) anyway so owning a firearm of your own is probably common place and accepted in South Africa.
You also have to take into account he had been receiving threats, the nature of which, I'm not sure of. Because of this, Sky news reported he had a 9mm pistol in his bedside table. Machine gun (In the same room), a cricket bat by the door and a baseball bat elsewhere. The guy clearly took his, and possibly her safety very seriously, hence all the hardware.
As for firing though the door, I agree with Murph. Firing a gun into such a confined area would increase your % of hitting something by quite a bit. What I will say is, would you open the door to see who it was? Bearing in mind you have no idea who, how many, armed or not!
Yes, I agree he should have checked to see if she was still in bed when he grabbed his gun, but bearing in mind the threats, who knows what his mind set was.
Fader
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Some interesting reports coming out in the media regarding detective botha's time on the stand
•admitting that the nearest neighbours who supposedly heard shouting are at the nearest point 600m away inside a concrete building
•finding out the substance he found wasn't testosterone but actually a herbal remedy used by many athletes
•autopsy showing at time of shooting the poor girl had an empty bladder and the toilet had not been used so him knowing she'd need the loo was unlikely
•Botha also saying in the girls situation had he shouted to her there's an intruder and to call police he'd expect and want her to lock herself in the toilet.
As for how'd he get a fan without his legs on, that'd be easy for someone who has lived a life with no legs below the knees. My ex father inlaw had no use of his legs after a work accident 20 odd years ago and despite this due to good upper body strength was able to get around in the night without a chair so its possible.
But there's no denying Pistorious shot the poor girl but its going to be interesting to see how this case develops an what the out one will be.
•admitting that the nearest neighbours who supposedly heard shouting are at the nearest point 600m away inside a concrete building
•finding out the substance he found wasn't testosterone but actually a herbal remedy used by many athletes
•autopsy showing at time of shooting the poor girl had an empty bladder and the toilet had not been used so him knowing she'd need the loo was unlikely
•Botha also saying in the girls situation had he shouted to her there's an intruder and to call police he'd expect and want her to lock herself in the toilet.
As for how'd he get a fan without his legs on, that'd be easy for someone who has lived a life with no legs below the knees. My ex father inlaw had no use of his legs after a work accident 20 odd years ago and despite this due to good upper body strength was able to get around in the night without a chair so its possible.
But there's no denying Pistorious shot the poor girl but its going to be interesting to see how this case develops an what the out one will be.
jimbob.someroo
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The justice system over there is so weird. I can't believe so much info is coming out before the actual trial ...
His defence have done a brilliant job this morning. Whether or not he did it deliberately, I'm still not sure. The defence pretty much batted down every reason for pre-meditation the prosecution have put forward and they've turned it into a 'his word against there's' sort of trial.
It's such a strange case, cos he's obviously shot her. It's gonna be near impossible to decide whether or not he 1) knew it was her for sure and 2) had planned to do it.
Interesting few months ahead.
His defence have done a brilliant job this morning. Whether or not he did it deliberately, I'm still not sure. The defence pretty much batted down every reason for pre-meditation the prosecution have put forward and they've turned it into a 'his word against there's' sort of trial.
It's such a strange case, cos he's obviously shot her. It's gonna be near impossible to decide whether or not he 1) knew it was her for sure and 2) had planned to do it.
Interesting few months ahead.
sawtooth
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Shooting through a toilet door not knowing whether that was your girlfriend or not is a ridiculous defence - who would do that seriously? I know South Africa is a dangerous place but even so.
Having shot once and hearing your girlfriend scream you would bloody stop shooting wouldn't you? Not pump 1 or 2 more shots in.
They probably had an argument and he flipped, I cant see it how this was an accident. If they can prove that he had his legs on when he said that he didnt then that would seal it for me.
Having shot once and hearing your girlfriend scream you would bloody stop shooting wouldn't you? Not pump 1 or 2 more shots in.
They probably had an argument and he flipped, I cant see it how this was an accident. If they can prove that he had his legs on when he said that he didnt then that would seal it for me.
pokerjoke
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The first thing i would do if i thought someone was in my house,and i had a gun to hand,is to wake the misses
and tell her to call the police.
Im sure a lot more is to come out during the trial,it will definately be interesting.
Of course not guilty until charged,but imo its not looking good.
I hope justice is done.
and tell her to call the police.
Im sure a lot more is to come out during the trial,it will definately be interesting.
Of course not guilty until charged,but imo its not looking good.
I hope justice is done.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Apparently 6 Music had to apologise after running a News bulletin about this followed immediately by Hendrix's Hey Joe...
Ooops - Epic Fail!
Ooops - Epic Fail!
Birchy
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Surely at some point he noticed his girlfriend wasnt in bed? Either when he got out of the thing himself of when he got his gun from the side of it. Plus if you thought somebody was breaking in you wouldnt just leave her there asleep and vulnerable would you?
sawtooth
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richart
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I have a horrible feeling he is going to get off on a technicality (assuming he is guilty
), as the detective in charge seems to be a useless as Inspector Clouseau.
How can someone hear a flaming row from 600 yards away, when presumably people living much closer heard nothing ?
How can you not check exactly what the drugs are before using them as evidence ?
This does look like another OJ Simpson case, with a highly paid defence team making mincemeat out of the prosecution. Hope not.
), as the detective in charge seems to be a useless as Inspector Clouseau.How can someone hear a flaming row from 600 yards away, when presumably people living much closer heard nothing ?
How can you not check exactly what the drugs are before using them as evidence ?
This does look like another OJ Simpson case, with a highly paid defence team making mincemeat out of the prosecution. Hope not.
I have a horrible feeling he is going to get off on a technicality (assuming he is guilty
How can someone hear a flaming row from 600 yards away, when presumably people living much closer heard nothing ?
How can you not check exactly what the drugs are before using them as evidence ?
This does look like another OJ Simpson case, with a highly paid defence team making mincemeat out of the prosecution. Hope not.
I thought the prosecutor was top notch and had put the chief of police away for years prior.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Width of bathroom/toilet 120cm according to another post, width of head approximately 15cm, shooting blind through a bathroom door, with the victim's head being moved around by the impact of each preceding bullet, and he managed to put 3 in her head and another one in the body? Not a cat in hell's chance.
Would I open the door to see who was in there? Of course not; my first instinct would be to protect my wife who's...... not here. So could she be in the toilet? Good chance, tell you what, I could call out, see if she responds, or I could set up with a view of the door and see who comes out and then decide whether to fire, or I could just blaze away through the closed door in case it's a burglar and hope it's not the Mrs. Now which one will it be........
Sorry, I'm not buying his version at all.
JustOne
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I read it was elbow, hip and head.... and one miss.
With his legs off and her sitting on the loo he'd be the perfect height for a head shot
I wonder what the result would be if it WAS a burglar that he'd shot dead? High 5's?
G1BB0
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I read it was elbow, hip and head.... and one miss.
With his legs off and her sitting on the loo he'd be the perfect height for a head shot
I wonder what the result would be if it WAS a burglar that he'd shot dead? High 5's?
lol, sorry, I shouldnt laugh as it is a serious matter but that one got me.
People saying this and that its all speculation. Anyone who has fired a weapon will know how quickly you can fire off 4 rounds. The reason for the random places she was hit is obviously due to the fact he fired in quick succession so with recoil and possible panic. If it was a calm and collective muder surely he would have lined up for each shot knowing approx where she would be sitting.
either way he's a good looking fella and may be quite popular inside!
