Oscar Pistorius

Fader said:
Some interesting reports coming out in the media regarding detective botha's time on the stand

•admitting that the nearest neighbours who supposedly heard shouting are at the nearest point 600m away inside a concrete building
•finding out the substance he found wasn't testosterone but actually a herbal remedy used by many athletes
•autopsy showing at time of shooting the poor girl had an empty bladder and the toilet had not been used so him knowing she'd need the loo was unlikely
•Botha also saying in the girls situation had he shouted to her there's an intruder and to call police he'd expect and want her to lock herself in the toilet.

As for how'd he get a fan without his legs on, that'd be easy for someone who has lived a life with no legs below the knees. My ex father inlaw had no use of his legs after a work accident 20 odd years ago and despite this due to good upper body strength was able to get around in the night without a chair so its possible.

But there's no denying Pistorious shot the poor girl but its going to be interesting to see how this case develops an what the out one will be.
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No wonder it was empty,I would also have emptied myself if someone was taking pot shots at me.
 
Dodger said:
No wonder it was empty,I would also have emptied myself if someone was taking pot shots at me.
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Yeah but the point being it as empty not from being recently emptied by the girl but fact that nothing had been consumed to fill it and no signs of the toilet having been used.
 
It's amazing we know all these details already from just a bail hearing. I suppose it's becuase they do not have the jury system in SA and the case will be heard by a judge. Another OJ trial me thinks.
 
Not that I entirely understand the criminal system, but in cases like this wouldn't it be easy just to stick him on a polygraph and see if he's liar liar pants on fire??

"Did you mean to kill her?"


"No."


BBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!!!!!
 
Looks like he'll get bail today as the prosecution has been torn to threads by his defence today/yesterday and its agreed he's not a flight risk and won't run away (no I'm not going to say it ;) ).

And then, just to throw some more drama into the mix, the lead detective is now being charged with attempted murder himself! Some years ago he fired at a mini bus that didn't stop, the case was dropped but miraculously now during this trial, it has been resubmitted and he's again being charged!

You couldn't make this up, well you could if you were 10 years old ;)
 
jimbob.someroo said:
He's been released on bail ... told you it wasn't as black and white as some others on here were suggesting ...
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Did you listen to the magistrate's statement? He went through alot of the case, spoke for a long time and even went into the definition and history of the bail process. It sounded like a lot of grandstanding to me but what do I know?? Easy to judge things from my home counties comfort.
 
Hooper said:
Did you listen to the magistrate's statement? He went through alot of the case, spoke for a long time and even went into the definition and history of the bail process. It sounded like a lot of grandstanding to me but what do I know?? Easy to judge things from my home counties comfort.
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Yer, listened to the whole thing - got a tad confusing in parts, but guess it's just court formalities.

It's a really interesting case as he's not denying that he shot her (obviously), so the prosecution have got to prove that not only did he know it was her in there, he'd been planning it ... for it to be deemed premeditated murder.

I know they talked about it perhaps going down as culpable homocide, but I think the most likely judgement so far seems to be murder. The judge pointed out some serious holes in the defence which the prosecution failed to exploit - had they done so, I don't think he'd be allowed out on bail. He intended to kill whoever was in there as he shot several times, shooting to kill, rather than to disable/disarm. Will be a long wait unfortunately (June I think) before it all gets picked up again though.
 
jimbob.someroo said:
Yer, listened to the whole thing - got a tad confusing in parts, but guess it's just court formalities.

It's a really interesting case as he's not denying that he shot her (obviously), so the prosecution have got to prove that not only did he know it was her in there, he'd been planning it ... for it to be deemed premeditated murder.

I know they talked about it perhaps going down as culpable homocide, but I think the most likely judgement so far seems to be murder. The judge pointed out some serious holes in the defence which the prosecution failed to exploit - had they done so, I don't think he'd be allowed out on bail. He intended to kill whoever was in there as he shot several times, shooting to kill, rather than to disable/disarm. Will be a long wait unfortunately (June I think) before it all gets picked up again though.
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What confuses me is why all the details? Bail hearings should be concerned with a few factors, i.e. flight risk, harm to others, harm to oneself, commit more crimes..etc. The forensics are not even in yet. These surely need to be checked and analysed. The magistate kept saying this was not a trial then he waffled on about details of the case. Very strange.
 
I think the moral of the story is don't get arrested in South Africa as the whole process seems like some bad soap opera.
 
Did you hear the bit about them finding information of another 20 women he wanted to kill, they've called it shinless list :eek:

;)
 
The gasp of elation when bail was granted was very mis-placed in my view... Some poor girl is dead by his hand... Bit immaterial therefore wether he got bail or not I reckon... Whatever else he is he's coming coming accross as a self centred selfish bumwipe...
 
MegaSteve said:
The gasp of elation when bail was granted was very mis-placed in my view... Some poor girl is dead by his hand... Bit immaterial therefore wether he got bail or not I reckon... Whatever else he is he's coming coming accross as a self centred selfish bumwipe...h
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He came across that way a long time ago when he took the IOC to court to gain access to the full Olympics citing his blades gave him no advantage. Yet later complained during the Paralympics that a Brazilian runner who had longer blades was advantaged by them!

Certainly seems to want to portray the image of a nice guy but is a bit of a weasel underneath.
 
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