On Friday, I took the Aimpoint Express course......

[chillicon]

For Chillicon, why not go and ask a Pro for a 2hr lesson (length of time to do Aimpoint) for nothing and see what reaction you'll get? And what works for another to stop the hooks may not work for you as we all swing differently.

I am not asking a pro to spend 2 hours explaining it so your point here is irrelevant. I am asking you.

Why not just be honest? You are refusing to explain either because you simply cant explain it well enough, or you just dont want someone to get the knowledge for free when you have paid for it. Either way it is more than a little bit embarrassing and pathetic imho.

If anyone of a more generous spirit would like to share the wealth, publicly please do. If you would rather not publicly, please feel free to pm.

 

[3565]

It's a shame that you won't accept that Aimpoint is quicker then the 'normal' type of read and you've only picked up on that point, which you are defending so heartedly.

I don't mind those who have tried it and said its not for them, but you've not tried it. So how do you know it's not for you, unless your the quick glimpse and hit it player?

Just for the record your recent posts have been more even keel about Aimpoint and have agreed and I'm willing to accept your points of view, unlike yourself. I am not saying slow play is acceptable but from playing golf for the past 30 odd years and watching it on TV it's painful seeing the pros stalking the green like they do and from my informed standpoint the express is quicker. As defending Aimpoint if that's how you see it then I could say stop attacking it until your more informed about the system. You keep stating you play for the enjoyment of the game and that's fine, but some are competitive, does how you play or I play, right or wrong?

It's a subject that some would probably would like to discuss more but you get the same people who want to knock it and come with the same put downs on it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What is the "normal" type read ?

I don't see many do more than the one read of a line - vary rare to see any more than that - don't see many club golfwrs "stalking" the green

Every time I have seen someone doing a read via Aimpoint it takes them longer than anyone else in the group

I know it's not for me because I have no interest in paying someone to show me how to read when I'm happy reading it exactly how I am and the people I have played with don't seem to read it any better than me

I haven't said how i or how anyone plays is right or wrong unless the speed of their play is not within the etiquette of the game

 

[CMAC]

It's a shame that you won't accept that Aimpoint is quicker then the 'normal' type of read and you've only picked up on that point, which you are defending so heartedly.

I don't mind those who have tried it and said its not for them, but you've not tried it. So how do you know it's not for you, unless your the quick glimpse and hit it player?

Just for the record your recent posts have been more even keel about Aimpoint and have agreed and I'm willing to accept your points of view, unlike yourself. I am not saying slow play is acceptable but from playing golf for the past 30 odd years and watching it on TV it's painful seeing the pros stalking the green like they do and from my informed standpoint the express is quicker. As defending Aimpoint if that's how you see it then I could say stop attacking it until your more informed about the system. You keep stating you play for the enjoyment of the game and that's fine, but some are competitive, does how you play or I play, right or wrong?

It's a subject that some would probably would like to discuss more but you get the same people who want to knock it and come with the same put downs on it.

I ain't tried homosexuality but I know it's not for me

I get your point though but sometimes you only need salient information to know it's not for you.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I don't understand how an Aimpoint read can be quicker than a 'normal' read, for that to be the case surely it means you are taking in less information and if that's the case, how can you hit a better putt?

 

[bluewolf]

I don't understand how an Aimpoint read can be quicker than a 'normal' read, for that to be the case surely it means you are taking in less information and if that's the case, how can you hit a better putt?

Taking less time doesn't have to mean less information. It could simply mean that the information taken in is more pertinent.

 

[3565]

I am not asking a pro to spend 2 hours explaining it so your point here is irrelevant. I am asking you.

Why not just be honest? You are refusing to explain either because you simply cant explain it well enough, or you just dont want someone to get the knowledge for free when you have paid for it. Either way it is more than a little bit embarrassing and pathetic imho.

If anyone of a more generous spirit would like to share the wealth, publicly please do. If you would rather not publicly, please feel free to pm.

Owt for nowt comes to mind.

If your interested do what Homer, mendiegk and one or two others have done, take the course.

If not get back to me when you've bought a Stimp meter and a Clinometer.......

my guess is that you won't.

 

[ColchesterFC]

For those that use Aimpoint, does it ever give you the wrong read? For instance I'm approaching the green and my initial read without Aimpoint is that my line is 6 inches outside right. I then use Aimpoint which says it's 6 inches outside left. I go with the Aimpoint read and it turns out I should've gone with my first read.

Can the above happen? And if so would it be due to user error or a flaw in the system?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Taking less time doesn't have to mean less information. It could simply mean that the information taken in is more pertinent.

I'm inclined to disagree, I think it's important to take it all in then discard what isn't relevant. Otherwise you may not take in something that is possibly part of the read?

 

[3565]

I ain't tried homosexuality but I know it's not for me

I get your point though but sometimes you only need salient information to know it's not for you.

well I'll try most things but that I must agree, I'm with you.

 

[bluewolf]

I'm inclined to disagree, I think it's important to take it all in then discard what isn't relevant. Otherwise you may not take in something that is possibly part of the read?

Where would the forum be if everyone agreed? :thup:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Where would the forum be if everyone agreed? :thup:

Good point, well made :thup:

 

[Region3]

I don't understand how an Aimpoint read can be quicker than a 'normal' read, for that to be the case surely it means you are taking in less information and if that's the case, how can you hit a better putt?

By that logic how can you hit a better putt than someone who reads the line from all 4 sides?

I've never played with anyone using Aimpoint so can't comment on how quick or otherwise it is, but they're getting the same information in a different way so I don't see why it HAS to take longer to be able to claim to get better info.

 

[pokerjoke]

I ain't tried homosexuality but I know it's not for me

I get your point though but sometimes you only need salient information to know it's not for you.

Have you got proof of that,no, didn't think so

 

[Foxholer]

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As for stack and tilt - I know Foley is the main guy for that

Wrong!!!

For those that use Aimpoint, does it ever give you the wrong read? For instance I'm approaching the green and my initial read without Aimpoint is that my line is 6 inches outside right. I then use Aimpoint which says it's 6 inches outside left. I go with the Aimpoint read and it turns out I should've gone with my first read.

Can the above happen? And if so would it be due to user error or a flaw in the system?

Has to be 'User Error' - as in the read, though on 'multi-break' greens, it's comparitively easy easy to get it wrong. It's based on the facts that Gravity exists and that the faster the green, the more influence Gravity will have! The only other relevant variable (to predicting what line is required) is the speed of the ball.

If you have seen any of their PGA predictions - where they have pre-measured the greens and fed those slopes into a computer, you will see how accurate the above 2 variables (that system assumed the ball would be hit at a speed to go 6" further than the distance tp the cup).

 

[3565]

For those that use Aimpoint, does it ever give you the wrong read? For instance I'm approaching the green and my initial read without Aimpoint is that my line is 6 inches outside right. I then use Aimpoint which says it's 6 inches outside left. I go with the Aimpoint read and it turns out I should've gone with my first read.

Can the above happen? And if so would it be due to user error or a flaw in the system?

i can only go on my experience, where ive read a putt and my initial thought is 3 but gone with 2 and missed on the low side, gone back and did a 3 and holed it. I do find that the more the slope the easier the read is, if I have a read that I can't determine the slope direction I'll use the plumb bob then make my assessment from there. So your scenario for me wouldn't happen as that's some break your dealing with. If we base your 6" break (a cup and a bit) on roughly the UK average of stimp 9 and slope 2% you would have a putt that is 8ft long.

 

[chillicon]

If not get back to me when you've bought a Stimp meter and a Clinometer.......

my guess is that you won't.

I have access to both of those things.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It takes me approximately 10 seconds to take the mid point read and I look at the break on the chart as I go to the ball so quantifiably speedy. Ask any of those that have seen me use it and they never had any complaints about slowing pace of play.

On the subject of cost, it is £99 for a 2.5 hour midpoint course and included in that is the opportunity to go back and re-do it again at a later date as a refresher for no extra cost. It works. My putting stats have improved and I am giving more putts a chance to go in as they are on the right line.

 

[chrisd]

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It takes me approximately 10 seconds to take the mid point read and I look at the break on the chart as I go to the ball so quantifiably speedy. Ask any of those that have seen me use it and they never had any complaints about slowing pace of play.

On the subject of cost, it is £99 for a 2.5 hour midpoint course and included in that is the opportunity to go back and re-do it again at a later date as a refresher for no extra cost. It works. My putting stats have improved and I am giving more putts a chance to go in as they are on the right line.

To be fair Homer, there are naysayers who wouldn't have any lessons, any advice etc etc and no one will ever convince them that if they just were open minded, took a chance once in a while, something may just be worth paying for!

I'd do Aimpoint and happily take the chance as to whether it would be the holy grail. Trying to answer the "anti brigade" is pointless because, at the end of the day, they might just make a few putts that they currently miss - cos we all miss putts!

 

[jpxpro]

ive done aimpoint express and think its a great tool to have in your locker.