Official Society Handicaps

[LCVreg]

Why does your society need their HCs official recognised Congu HCs

Why does your club - what's the difference!

 

[t0m]

Some society players don't hold a official handicap, and that's a problem when it comes to some of the society favourite courses that demand a handicap and proof of it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why does your club - what's the difference!

Because my members want to play in official Congu recognised qualifiers as well as opens and Congu recognised qualifiers around the country.

Yours are just society meets affiliated to no one and there is no need for your society to be affiliated to Congu

So why does your society members need to have their society HC official ?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Ha - when you have 1000 members in an area with as many chimney pots as the Bournemouth conurbation, then you ain't struggling - if they were they would have closed one of the two full length 18 holes course, well the one that was always underwater anyway! - and I like to hear that you portray all clubs in the same mould, Iford Bridge same as Ferndown eh?

In one response you say clubs are struggling then later on in the thread you say they aren't. Make your mind up please.

As for Iford, if you build a low quality course then fail to maintain it properly, of course it will struggle.

 

[LCVreg]

Because I hope the handicap committee will take his previous handicap into account when assessing his handicap where as I doubt the ability of many society handicappers (not your obviously) to have the ability, desire or knowledge to run handicaps as they should be.

So again, whats the difference, you shouldn't look down you nose at what I emphasised right at the start "properly organised Societies" - may I remind you also of one of many clubs who are societies - Bruntsfield Links, and how did Muirfield start. Also, what is the difference twixt a society playing at a regular course than any of the 7 clubs playing over the same course at Carnoustie - I am honestly ashamed of the comment s that have been recieved in this forum and the attitudes therin - why the hell can some of you not just get off their high horses and do something helpful to the sport instead! - All good and well run courses and clubs will survive, whether they are proprietors, members or munis, though the last is sadly on its way out due to the majority of them being left to rot by their council owners

 

[LCVreg]

In one response you say clubs are struggling then later on in the thread you say they aren't. Make your mind up please.

As for Iford, if you build a low quality course then fail to maintain it properly, of course it will struggle.

Read it whichever way you wish - and yes, I have just received a deal from Ferndown - half price golf after 3.00pm from now to September for all- have you ever seen that before! - and in itself, doesn't it prove something!?

 

[LCVreg]

None are dead "because Societies can't hold official HC " though

And the number of people who stopped playing golf didn't stop because they couldn't hold an official HC whilst being a member of a society.

Why exactly do you want your society to have "official Congu HC's "

Read all I have said - you might just learn something! instead of just being contrary and arrogant

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Read it whichever way you wish - and yes, I have just received a deal from Ferndown - half price golf after 3.00pm from now to September for all- have you ever seen that before! - and in itself, doesn't it prove something!?

That is the standard twilight deal, I can name you dozens of top clubs that offer that. Not exactly earth shattering news!

 

[LCVreg]

Some society players don't hold a official handicap, and that's a problem when it comes to some of the society favourite courses that demand a handicap and proof of it

Cripes, when was the last time anyone asked you for a handicap certificate - anyway, its all on computer now and CDH can be seen and traced by anybody!

 

[LCVreg]

So what you are really after is the member's benefits without the members costs. Who do you think pays for the day to day running of a golf club? Who puts money over the bar in the depths of winter?

Your business model would see memberships drop further, and more clubs go out of business. Getting regular golf @ £45 a go would cost me £1800. Why be a society member when I can get all the benefits of a club at £600?

Personally, I don't see it as elitism. I see it as protecting the longevity of the golf club.

Didn't help Torphin Hills or the many other Scottish courses that have had to close

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Read all I have said - you might just learn something! instead of just being contrary and arrogant

Again you still haven't answered the question many have asked

Why do you need to have official HCs within your society if your members are just playing society rounds.

Instead of just insulting posters just tell us why ?

 

[Old Skier]

So again, whats the difference, you shouldn't look down you nose at what I emphasised right at the start "properly organised Societies" - may I remind you also of one of many clubs who are societies - Bruntsfield Links, and how did Muirfield start. Also, what is the difference twixt a society playing at a regular course than any of the 7 clubs playing over the same course at Carnoustie - I am honestly ashamed of the comment s that have been recieved in this forum and the attitudes therin - why the hell can some of you not just get off their high horses and do something helpful to the sport instead! - All good and well run courses and clubs will survive, whether they are proprietors, members or munis, though the last is sadly on its way out due to the majority of them being left to rot by their council owners

I'm neither looking down my nose or any of the other petty names that you call me and others on here. As some one who runs several successful societies I just cannot see how your model will work.

How are they held accountable
Who checks that they are EG & CONGU compliant
Which course (if the slope system as you say is introduced) is the handicap assessed on.

Your model just threw the whole ethos of society golf out of the window. Having just returned from taking a fair size society to La Toquett I know how they would have reacted if I took it all so seriously insisting cards were signed, no gimmes etc. My society days are for fun.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Clubs have come and gone for decades. Sod all to do with societies. All to do with economics and business

 

[TheJezster]

Why are people still responding? It's just fuelling the thread. If you stop it will go away.

 

[LCVreg]

I'm neither looking down my nose or any of the other petty names that you call me and others on here. As some one who runs several successful societies I just cannot see how your model will work.

How are they held accountable
Who checks that they are EG & CONGU compliant
Which course (if the slope system as you say is introduced) is the handicap assessed on.

Your model just threw the whole ethos of society golf out of the window. Having just returned from taking a fair size society to La Toquett I know how they would have reacted if I took it all so seriously insisting cards were signed, no gimmes etc. My society days are for fun.

The model will work - I guarantee that! As already said a number of times, "properly run societies" eg, those that have a handicap secretary running a club 2000 / handicapmaster / or whatever system, also paying the same relavent dues to the County Unions and England Golf etc - what is wrong with that! - And as you say, I rightly agree with you re you French visit (if you can find your way around the picnickers on the greens!), these are for fun! - But, its all give and take, and it is obvious to me that there are many thousands out there that are either disinterested in wanting to join a club for whatever reason, but still wish to be treated fairly by one and all - opening up the handicapping system to some societies and tours would be one way of letting these do so - why oh why is there such antipathy against that!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The model will work - I guarantee that! !

Sorry but even risking an infraction that's crap. How can you possible do that and how can you prove it. If it was that simple it would already have been done and we'd be living in a golfing utopia with no need to find thousand per year (for some) for membership and can all rock up and play where and when we want. We don't and can't and it's Jackson Pollocks

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Do you realise hoe much it will also cost

For the software
Yearly license
EGU and County fees
Courses that will then charge you further

Which course will the official HC be set on and then be deemed the Home course for that HC - what if courses say no to having the HC set there

Costs are in the thousands for HC software on a yearly basis

 

[Simbo]

Didn't help Torphin Hills or the many other Scottish courses that have had to close

Torphin hill was a goat track, one of the worst golf courses iv ever stepped on. With a clubhouse that was like something from the high chaparral. It was always going to struggle when the going got tough, I'd guess the only members there were people who had been brought up through that course. I'd hazard a guess most others that are closing are the same.
And having official handicaps for societies wouldn't have changed it, it would probably have helped it to close quicker.

 

[Simbo]

Do you realise hoe much it will also cost

For the software
Yearly license
EGU and County fees
Courses that will then charge you further

Which course will the official HC be set on and then be deemed the Home course for that HC - what if courses say no to having the HC set there

Costs are in the thousands for HC software on a yearly basis

Do golf clubs not kick back a percentage of their incomings to cover these costs??

 

[DCB]

Torphin hill was a goat track, one of the worst golf courses iv ever stepped on. With a clubhouse that was like something from the high chaparral. It was always going to struggle when the going got tough, I'd guess the only members there were people who had been brought up through that course. I'd hazard a guess most others that are closing are the same.
And having official handicaps for societies wouldn't have changed it, it would probably have helped it to close quicker.

But where else could you play a medal in June and experience sleet and snow ?