Non Returns

[TWM]

In yesterday's medal at my club I counted:-

Division 1 20 players 5 N/R
Division 2 32 players 9 N/R
Division 3 12 players 2 N/R

On a perfect golfing day, does this say anything about my fellow members?

 

[jammydodger]

Says they cba at this time of year. Dont blame them , I cba either and have decided to play as little as possible til the greens improve

 

[CannyFifer]

Should be compulsory to hand in cards in my opinion, thats what the handicap is all about. Hit a bad round so what, it's you that hit it and was the same greens etc for everyone.

 

[d1217]

the only time i N/R'd was in my first ever tournament and thats because it started thundering and lightening, was frightening seeing as our course is just surrounded by thousands of large trees.

 

[daymond]

Is it not the case that a no return in a qualifier is an automatic .1 increase.

If so only those who are looking to increase their H/C would deliberately do a NR


H/C 13.7
Clubs Yes

 

[Imurg]

There's many arguments on both sides of this question. Personally I'm in the "never NR" group. But I can see why people do it. If you're constantly losing balls and holding the course up then it might be better to call it a day but to just not hand in your card because its a bad round is poor form. I shot 100 2 years ago in a Medal off 11 or 12. Horrendous round, couple of lost balls but mostly just playing utter rubbish. Handed the card in and tried to keep a brave face. Not handing it in would have been more embarressing for me.

 

[Marko77]

NR should always be a last resort. hear of it happenening all too often with people not bothering to hit a provisional and not finding their ball and not being bothered to walk back.

Alot of players still don't realise they can play on and go for a stableford adjustment. NR doesn't have to mean 0.1

 

[Fyldewhite]

Here we go again..... There's absolutely nothing wrong with NR'ing if it speeds up play by not having to go back to the tee etc. It isn't an automatic 0.1 it's just a no score at one hole if marked correctly (just like a blob in a stableford) and you can still go down handicap wise if you play the rest of the course well. Your overall medal score is NR though.

Not returning a card is a completely different thing and is against the rules. Committees should deal with players who consistently fail to put in cards when they have entered the comps. Predominently these players are low or those who attach much to having the lowest handicap they can and want to avoid the 0.1 increase.

We all walked off after 16 yesterday as we had all played bad, my partner and I had won the fiver, it was a non qualifying comp and the bar was open. Absolutely no effect on anything or anyone else. Anyone who thinks we did something wrong really needs to get a life.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Why would you not play a provisional in a medal in the first place? I get irritated with those people at my club who NR and get 0.1 back. I posted the last time this subject that its the same few people everytime. Why bother entering if you are never going to submit a card. Personally I'd still like to see a limit on the number of N/R's you can submit in a given period. Once in a blue moon I can understand and think if you NR say more than three times in a year there should be a ban from entering competitions

 

[nulassilb]

In our Medal today, I played poorly - especially on the greens. I handed in my card, took some gentle ribbing and came last. (Apart from the handful of NRs) I keep going unless I am clearly holding up play simply because I want the comp scratch to indicate that not everyone always plays under their hcp.

 

[Fyldewhite]

I'm not talking about not submitting cards Homer, players who do that should be disciplined as it's against the rules of the handicap system.

We get quite a lot of "NR scores" returned (say 10%), mostly because our 16th green is 50 yards from the clubhouse. If all four are having a 'mare I don't see why they should be expected to go down 17 just to keep folk like you happy. It makes the square root of bugger all difference to the CSS, handicaps or anything else and I can't for the life of me understand why people can't see that and leave players to make their own mind up. There is no stigma, it often speeds up play, makes it easier for your partners and is sometimes the only sensible choice.

 

[Basher]

I've done it once.
On my first comp. A stableford would you believe?

We did have a good reason for walking off the course though. Torrential rain at the turn! We put our waterproofs on of course and carried on. Trouble was, by the time we got to the 15th the greens were flooding which made play virtually impossible. I didn't have a good card, but if we'd finished I'm sure I'd have still put a card in.

 

[DMC]

Says they cba at this time of year. Dont blame them , I cba either and have decided to play as little as possible til the greens improve

Totally agree,i wont be playing a medal round until the ball starts rolling and stops bouncing,like putting on bubble wrap.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I would have thought it would have impacted the CSS (but prepared to be proved wrong). Nothing to do with keeping me happy. Like I said in my OP we have around 10 who do it on a regular basis whenever they play a medal. Why bother.

I think it wouldn't be too hard to put some sort of flag into the system and perhaps warn persistant offenders (why get 0.1 back automatically for doing nothing in effect) and then start issuing bans. Nothing drastic but maybe a one competition ban. Either that or don't enter the comps

 

[SammmeBee]

Why do you suspect NRs hae any relevance to the CSS....CSS is purely based on the number of players within their buffer zone....

 

[Putting_Green_Pro]

I would have thought it would have impacted the CSS (but prepared to be proved wrong). Nothing to do with keeping me happy. Like I said in my OP we have around 10 who do it on a regular basis whenever they play a medal. Why bother.

I think it wouldn't be too hard to put some sort of flag into the system and perhaps warn persistant offenders (why get 0.1 back automatically for doing nothing in effect) and then start issuing bans. Nothing drastic but maybe a one competition ban. Either that or don't enter the comps

I think 3 NRs (non-consectutive) should issue a 1 comp ban on the next singles strokeplay comp. I don't mind if someone looses two balls on a holes and ends up with a 9 and carries on and shoots maybe 6 or 7 over their handicap aslong as they don't NR

 

[Fyldewhite]

99% of players who NR have played bad regardless of what it says at the bottom of the card. The handicap system is designed to give you back 0.1 when you play cack. Of course you should get 0.1, it's not a reward for completing 18 holes of bad golf, it's just saying "you played bad today". It's quite easy to see who does this regularly as there's a report which lists players by % of NRs. CONGU aren't going to change anything, it's the way it's supposed to work.

Personally I think the far bigger issue is that players think that once a card is an NR then that's it, an automatic 0.1 and they give up, walk off or whatever not realising that they can still get a reduction.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

What's so bad about NR'ing.
You pay to play the comp' so if you NR you lose that money. That is your punishment.
I NR'd a couple of weeks back on the 18th hole.
The course was busy & I hit a poor drive. I then hit a provisional, but when I got to the areas the balls should have been I couldn't find either.
I could have gone back to the tee & hit my 5th shot, but since I was already about 5 over my handicap I decided it was better for my playing partners, those on the tee & those on the 17th hole if I just NR'd.
No harm done.

 

[Ethan]

Is it not the case that a no return in a qualifier is an automatic .1 increase.

If so only those who are looking to increase their H/C would deliberately do a NR


H/C 13.7
Clubs Yes

No, it is not. A NR may be a score card returned, but incomplete. That is a NR in a medal. But the score card should be read in stableford format, so if you would have had 38 points, but had no score at one hole, say, then you have a NR but can still get cut.

I have checked this with the EGU and this what should happen in any CONGU compliant club.

 

[Parmo]

I would have thought the player who NR'd is well within his rights to do so, who the hell are golf clubs or golfers to tell someone what they can and can not do with their spare time.

If I am playing very bad and decided I would rather be doing something else after 9 holes, so what, I accept the 0.1 back and move on. In this day and age when most of us live busy lives and you know after 9 or less that 0.1 is what you are getting and you are not enjoying the game why not walk off and find something enjoyable to do.

I personally haven't walked off for a while now, The last time I had 3 points after 5 holes and knew I had holiday things to buy in town on a weekend and thought, what the hell.. I accept the 0.1 and had a lovely time in town with HID. I fail to see how clubs can force or threaten members with more than 0.1 if they walk off.

I think 3 NRs (non-consectutive) should issue a 1 comp ban on the next singles strokeplay comp. I don't mind if someone looses two balls on a holes and ends up with a 9 and carries on and shoots maybe 6 or 7 over their handicap aslong as they don't NR

lol yeah banning people from comps because they walk off, take about golf becoming a nanny state.