No "FORE" + No Penalty

[oltimer]

Have just watched on tv the best golfers in the world totally ignoring the rules of etiquette, I was always taught that if you couldn`t see where your ball was going to land or heading towards someone that you should shout Fore, yet I saw an uncountable number of tee shots heading towards groups of spectators without any warning, why do they think that someone 300+ yards away can see someone on the tee holding up an arm pointing towards them. is it not time the authorities penalised them for not abiding by the rules of etiquette, including not calling those behind through whilst they waited for a ruling or exceeding the allowed time to play the shot once they reach it. nearly three hours to play nine holes not the examples they should be showing.

 

[drdel]

I agree. I would also fine the player $5,000 for each spectator hit! Less on the lower ranked Tours.

 

[oltimer]

loss of money won`t affect them as much as adding a pen stroke to their Card

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They won’t ever bring in shot penalties for not shouting fore - same as they won’t fine them.

And a group is never going to be called through at a tour event

 

[oltimer]

what a shame !

 

[Wolf]

I'm more intrigued as to when they got to the point where they stopped shouting.

Been to many events and some players do still shout or at least caddies do for them, but then there is the large amount that just hold up the hand and either expect people to see it or others shout for them.

They'd have grown up knowing the etiquette and shouting so when do they decide they don't need do that anymore.
As for calling a group through will never happen.

 

[patricks148]

I'm more intrigued as to when they got to the point where they stopped shouting.

Been to many events and some players do still shout or at least caddies do for them, but then there is the large amount that just hold up the hand and either expect people to see it or others shout for them.

They'd have grown up knowing the etiquette and shouting so when do they decide they don't need do that anymore.
As for calling a group through will never happen.

i was caddying for 3 Americans last year and two of them kept sticking their arm out to signal where the ball was going, who i they were signalling to is a mystery still.

so this practice the pro's use is creeping into the am game

 

[oltimer]

I'm more intrigued as to when they got to the point where they stopped shouting.

Been to many events and some players do still shout or at least caddies do for them, but then there is the large amount that just hold up the hand and either expect people to see it or others shout for them.

They'd have grown up knowing the etiquette and shouting so when do they decide they don't need do that anymore.
As for calling a group through will never happen.

not calling through - sounds like our club

 

[TreeSeeker]

pretty sure that the european tour has or has some penalties? Just fines but not nothing. In my opinion there is a fair responsibility for the spectators, who are knowingly putting themselves at risk. They should shoutbut an arm is a good alternate if people pay attention, fore only works if your ears get the memo

 

[oltimer]

pretty sure that the european tour has or has some penalties? Just fines but not nothing. In my opinion there is a fair responsibility for the spectators, who are knowingly putting themselves at risk. They should shoutbut an arm is a good alternate if people pay attention, fore only works if your ears get the memo

Forget the spectators - as a ball lands nearby off an adjoining fairway - "sorry about that but I did hold my arm up"

what the tour players do filters down to club level .

 

[Wolf]

i was caddying for 3 Americans last year and two of them kept sticking their arm out to signal where the ball was going, who i they were signalling to is a mystery still.

so this practice the pro's use is creeping into the am game

Everything they do filters through sadly including the negative issues

 

[TreeSeeker]

you cant forget the spectators, it just isnt a comparison otherwise. If people can see you then an arm up is fine. club golf is different and amateurs should expect to need to take their own responsability on the course.

 

[LGC2019]

I thought after the Koepka incident at the Ryder Cup they would all be shouting fore but seems not.

 

[Kellfire]

I read somewhere that at the distances they're hitting drivers, spectators wouldn't hear it accurately anyway so a visual sign is more important.

Shouldn't the marshalls who indicate ball flight be conveying the message quickly to the crowds they're controlling?

 

[Wolf]

I read somewhere that at the distances they're hitting drivers, spectators wouldn't hear it accurately anyway so a visual sign is more important.

Shouldn't the marshalls who indicate ball flight be conveying the message quickly to the crowds they're controlling?

That's actually quite an interesting point and one I hadn't thought of. I was at the Ryder Cup when the woman got hit, I wasn't on same hole but there amae day and the crowd noise was immense and akin to a football match rather than a golf event so hearing the shouts would have been pretty difficult from that distance.

Re: the marshalls they'd have to convey it pretty quick considering the speed the ball travels. Perhaps a happy medium is needed player shouts and raises hand, then marshalls effectively concertina the effect for crowd 🤔

 

[jim8flog]

you cant forget the spectators, it just isnt a comparison otherwise. If people can see you then an arm up is fine. club golf is different and amateurs should expect to need to take their own responsability on the course.

If people can see you through the massed crowds of spectators and maybe intervening trees to a pro 300+ yards away who has an arm up in the for god knows what reason...............

 

[Kellfire]

If people can see you through the massed crowds of spectators and maybe intervening trees to a pro 300+ yards away who has an arm up in the for god knows what reason...............

If you can't see the player hitting the ball, how do you know who is shouting "FORE LEFT"?

 

[Jamesbrown]

I read somewhere that at the distances they're hitting drivers, spectators wouldn't hear it accurately anyway so a visual sign is more important.

Shouldn't the marshalls who indicate ball flight be conveying the message quickly to the crowds they're controlling?

That’s precisely what they do.
They usually say down the fairway landing area “Fore to my left” or “right”.

Also a Marshall on the tee conveys the message via a point to the fairway Marshall’s.

 

[jim8flog]

If you can't see the player hitting the ball, how do you know who is shouting "FORE LEFT"?

Too me it would not matter, if I heard the shout I would instinctively be covering my head as best as I could.

 

[Deleted member 23344]

I think they should ALWAYS shout (and also stick out an arm if they want to). Maybe the distance might mean that they won’t be heard ... but they might. So err on the side of caution and shout ... it might save someone. After all, what does shouting cost them ... absolutely nothing! If they shout, and a spectator still gets hit, they did the best they could.