Tashyboy
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Pah, the patriots have been tanking it since the first game of the season.
Incidentally, what’s your thoughts on Belichick going to college football.
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Incidentally, what’s your thoughts on Belichick going to college football.
Pathetic Shark
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It's going to go badly. The decision is getting panned everywhere on the main shows. He is way past it in terms of coaching X/Os and now he has to start recruiting high school kids? Even the changes with the transfer portal from other colleges, it is a young man's game.
The Pats aren't tanking it - they are just really badly coached but have a franchise QB taking his lumps in a rookie season.
The Pats aren't tanking it - they are just really badly coached but have a franchise QB taking his lumps in a rookie season.
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Mandofred
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Even though I'm a Washington boy....I still find it iffy to root for the Seahawks, but they seem to be doing better as the season goes on.
But....if you are an old fart and can remember back around 30 years ago....they used to have a guy who showed up as the hulk. He graduated with me...small town (Castle Rock) in Washington.
But....if you are an old fart and can remember back around 30 years ago....they used to have a guy who showed up as the hulk. He graduated with me...small town (Castle Rock) in Washington.
Beezerk
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spongebob59
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Nothing catching my eye amongst the early games but will watch the Bills/Lions game later.
Captainron
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Yeah. All look a little lacklustre in the early window. 2 massive games later on.
Also my Seahawks playing the Wisconsin wieners on Monday
Pathetic Shark
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Tua got another one of his receivers killed today. His timing on passes is so bad. It's not the "release time" stat which measures the period from taking the snap to throwing the ball. Brady has the all-time record for that in 2022 when he was doing anything to avoid being hit. Tua's problem is the timing on the route - he throws it late so any receiver running a slant or crosser goes straight into the defender or the DB jumps the route. It happened so many times yesterday.
Still cannot believe the Bucs put 40 up on the Chargers. They had only given up 30 to one team all year and we wiped the floor with them. Very enjoyable day starting with the Lightning winning 5-1 in Seattle and ending with that win in LA. West Coast dreaming.
Buffalo v Detroit - neither team can defend. And the Lions lost three more defensive players yesterday. Right now the other NFC contenders, Philly, Green Bay and Minnesota are licking their lips. Seattle got found out in this week's NFC West rotating division of chance.
Still cannot believe the Bucs put 40 up on the Chargers. They had only given up 30 to one team all year and we wiped the floor with them. Very enjoyable day starting with the Lightning winning 5-1 in Seattle and ending with that win in LA. West Coast dreaming.
Buffalo v Detroit - neither team can defend. And the Lions lost three more defensive players yesterday. Right now the other NFC contenders, Philly, Green Bay and Minnesota are licking their lips. Seattle got found out in this week's NFC West rotating division of chance.
Springveldt
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That's the first receiver I can ever recall getting injured on a pass from Tua? His timing is bad? Is that why Kurt Warner tweeted out last week that Tua's timing, accuracy and anticipation are elite?
Just go watch any All-22 film of Tua and tell me he's releasing the ball late when he releases it before the receiver has even got to the top of their route. Here is a couple of examples from the Jets game last week.
This one is going to Waddle, look at when Tua is releasing the ball, Waddles at the 48. He catches it at the 41.
And look where Waddle catches it.
Same with a throw to Tyreek. Releases it when Tyreek just passes the 40 who then catches it inside the 30.
Sure Tua was terrible yesterday and has cost the Dolphins their season due to 1 bad game in the last 8 and missing 4 games by getting himself stupidly injured.
McDaniel has basically said Tyreek ran the wrong route on 2 of the interceptions and because Tua throws the ball so early he is trusting his receivers to get to where they are supposed to be. You end up with horrible looking interceptions when they don't get there. Also the Dolphins have rolled out the worst starting guards in the NFL this season and yesterday they also rolled out a raw, rookie left tackle and some guy at right tackle who has never taken a snap for them and the Bengals cut him for being terrible. These guys were meant to be tackles 4 and 6 on the depth chart and were going up against the best pass rushing duo in the league.
I want wholesale changes with the Dolphins to be honest. GM Grier has to go, if McDaniel keeps thinking he can scheme and play call his way around a garbage OL he can go to. Whoever was responsible for the backup QB situation (Grier or McDaniel) definitely needs to go. Tua isn't the guy who can win when things start going against them, Tyreek has been garbage all year, the defense is old and crap. Going to be another few lost years to add onto the 24 since the last playoff win. I don't know why I even bother with them anymore.
Patster1969
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Agree - if a HOF QB praises him, I'll go with that. As you said, he wasn't good yesterday but imo, Hill is not playing well - his body language has been terrible this year. The last pick he didn't really even try to rip that ball from Stingley, especially as it hit him in the hands.
Big decisions to make in the offseason. Grier can drive Crossman out of Miami, as he has basically stuffed us with some of these contracts, especially as he has re-done a few this season. Chubb was a waste of cap & draft picks and cost us Van Ginkle, who outplayed him over more years.
I will go against one comment - the D is old and missing some significant talent but they held the Texans fairly well yesterday considering the O (and the ST's on the fake punt) kept gifting them a short field.
You are right in that a major overhaul is needed though, however, we are likely stuck with Hill & Tua but I would be tempted to see if you can get anything for Waddle (Hill preferably) & Achane on the O and Chubb/Phillips on the D in terms of draft picks.
I am so on the fence regarding Tua - would he be better with a running game & a bigger body at receiver (and McD being taken off playcalling) - but likely he is here until 2026 due to cap hit.
The big rebuild has failed on all counts, so Grier needs to go - Dave Hyde mentioned it on his column that yesterday, not one of the 25 draft picks made a significant contribution yesterday. Half of them were injured though, although that's no help either.
Springveldt
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The defense played really, really well yesterday, especially considering their recent showings. In typical Dolphins fashion the offense decided to drop a big smelly dump instead. I was confident going into the game as Houston are struggling just now, their record is flattering but when I saw that both Armstead and Lamm were out I expected the shitshow we got. I've no doubt that the Dolphins fielded the worst OL in the league yesterday and by a comfortable margin. We've had 2 guards starting all year who wouldn't start on any other team and to then have to go with Jackson Carman at RT to sit along side Eichenberg at RG it kinda kills your whole offensive gameplan. The strip sack was on both of them, Eichenberg gets driven 6 yards deep within 2 seconds while Carman was nothing more than a traffic cone to Will Anderson on his way to Tua.
If McDaniel stays I'm just hoping he has a McVey and LeFleur moment and realises you actually need talent on the OL to make your offense work. I've watched 3 years of either him or Grier being stubborn about the OL and every season it is the same. As soon as we come up against a team with a good DL things go to crap as you can't run the ball and can't pass protect past 2 seconds.
As you say, Tua will be here till after 2026 due to cap and I think you can win with him. We haven't seen him with an OL at all, every year it's been crap even with him getting the ball out at lightning speed. They need to treat him like Manning, Brady and Brees and build a good OL for him as currently he doesn't have it. He's not athletic enough to get outside the pocket so you need to give him something to step up into. Having Rob Jones and Liam Eichenberg as your starting guards is dereliction of duty.
Aztecs27
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Lovely part of the state, that.
I used to live in Issaquah, outside of Seattle on I90
Your post jinxed it because they were awful last night
Patster1969
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After seeing that Lamm was out, I was not optimistic for yesterday.
I am hoping that Grier gets the shove and we then find out that McD has only been saying that to toe the party line, as he must have seen how a decent OL can help, as he was at the 49ers for a few years and their running game has been mostly good since Shanahan has been there (he was the running game co-ordinator for gods sake).
If he can't see that and the same level of success that McVay & LeFleur are having with similar systems, he can follow Grier out of the door even though I like him. I don't like the thought of another HC 3 years & out situation though, as we have consistently done this and then we wonder why there is no stability.
Surely, doing the same thing for 3 years & expecting different results must show Ross that this rebuild hasn't worked and the architect (Grier) needs to be fired. TBH, he should have been fired for drafting Charles Harris over TJ Watt at the very least (although this might have been a leaving gift from Tannebaum), not withstanding the rest of his draft record.
With the OL that we put out yesterday, I think you were correct in that it must have been the worst unit in the league. Both guards are ok if they are the swing guard & Eichenburg has some value as a back-up center but neither should be starters.
Pathetic Shark
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Kurt Warner is in the Hall of Fame but an elite analyst, I'll hold on that. There have been too many people across the NFL spectrum from other former players to former coaches and front office personnel who castigate Tua. He was the same at Alabama but playing with a loaded deck against far lesser opposition. He leads receivers too often into trouble and has done so throughout his college and pro career. But Miami do seem to have bigger problems than just QB and that was borne out again against Houston.
Arthur Wedge
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Nik Bonitto continues to have a stellar year
A lot of talk was of Surtain being in the mix for DPOY and he has been excellent but surely Bonitto must be in with a chance
A lot of talk was of Surtain being in the mix for DPOY and he has been excellent but surely Bonitto must be in with a chance
Springveldt
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A lot of the media had labelled him a bust in his first year when he shouldn't have even been on the field because of his hip injury. It wasn't helped in the second year when Flores was doing his best to undermine him but it was then I thought he was going to be a good player. He was fitting throws into ridiculously small windows, behind a line that PFF said was horrible and to guys who couldn't get any separation and shouldn't have even been in the league.
I've no idea if it's some college level hatred for Alabama or media guys just determined to be proven right and sticking to their "he sucks" label but the scrutiny and criticism of him is like no other QB in the league, even from fans of his team. He has to be perfect for every throw in every game or else people are like "see, I told you he sucks". He has just posted an average passer rating of 112 for the past 7 games which is pretty absurd yet he has one stinker (granted, in a game Miami needed) and you have Dolphins fans wanting him cut. He's on his way to posting another season over 100 passer rating yet a large, vocal section of the Dolphins fans seem to think he shouldn't even be a starter as he can't "elevate the team" without realising this team would be lucky to win 3 games without him. It completely blows my mind.
I guess that's why I get irrationally defensive of the guy when I see criticism of him that has already been proven to be completely wrong. I've no issues with guys criticising him looking like a baby deer when he tries to run, or he falls worse than a toddler, or you shut your eyes and hope he's OK after every hit, or his side line throws have no velocity or he throws just about every ball with too much touch. That's all valid stuff that you see on film but when I see people saying he's not accurate, he's a one read QB, he throws late etc it annoys me for some reason because it's all on film that those things are blatantly false.
Miami has a boatload of issues, most of which have been around for all of McDaniel's tenure. Never being prepared for important games, dumb offensive penalties by dumb, overmatched players, plays getting into the huddle far too late forcing stupid timeouts, no movement in the run game against better DL, no size at WR so have issues inside the 5, being too loyal to players that are clearly not good enough and a QB that is hell bent on getting himself injured trying to prove everyone wrong. That's before I even start on the clusterbleep that the defense is. They will probably need to spend nearly all their draft picks on the defensive side, if Grier is still there you can pencil in a CB in round 1 already as he's missed on his last 2 that he's drafted in the first and second round in the past 5 years.
Sorry for the rant, just had to get it off my chest somewhere as I'm ignoring all Dolphins boards just now as I might have an aneurism at some of the stuff I end up reading.
Pathetic Shark
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Totally understand where you're coming from @Springveldt - no-one likes to see a player from their own team castigated in the media. Unfortunately when so many people say the same thing, then you have to know there is no smoke without fire.
You can ignore the crap that NFL Network spouts - I've known G-Mac since he was a rookie with the Bucs and he's a fantastic person, great personality but no analyst. Mariucci hasn't been near a coaching role in nearly 20 years and they used to employ Warren Sapp on their pre-game show which says it all.
But all the people who really know the game, the players, weaknesses and strengths, say the same thing about Tua. Great mental attitude, works hard but there is just something missing on his actual passing mechanics and timing. Same as Jameis - great attitude but throws the ball to the opposition half a dozen times a game.
I was talking last night with a friend of mine from the West Palm Beach Post who covers the Dolphins and he echoes all your sentiments abouts the rest of the roster but 100% confirmed the issues with Tua.
You can ignore the crap that NFL Network spouts - I've known G-Mac since he was a rookie with the Bucs and he's a fantastic person, great personality but no analyst. Mariucci hasn't been near a coaching role in nearly 20 years and they used to employ Warren Sapp on their pre-game show which says it all.
But all the people who really know the game, the players, weaknesses and strengths, say the same thing about Tua. Great mental attitude, works hard but there is just something missing on his actual passing mechanics and timing. Same as Jameis - great attitude but throws the ball to the opposition half a dozen times a game.
I was talking last night with a friend of mine from the West Palm Beach Post who covers the Dolphins and he echoes all your sentiments abouts the rest of the roster but 100% confirmed the issues with Tua.
Mandofred
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Yep, not surprised at the result though. I don't pay much attention to football though....so I couldn't tell you more than a couple of names on the team. The Mariners are the only pro team I actually check the scores out every day.Lovely part of the state, that.
I used to live in Issaquah, outside of Seattle on I90
Your post jinxed it because they were awful last night
GB72
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Another win for the Vikings, happy days
Pathetic Shark
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Yeah but those white helmets? And nicking the "white out" idea in the stands off the Winnipeg Jets?
What a division - three absolute power houses and two of them will be wildcards and likely none of them have a first-round bye. See you in Tampa for the first round of the playoffs.
What a division - three absolute power houses and two of them will be wildcards and likely none of them have a first-round bye. See you in Tampa for the first round of the playoffs.
Aztecs27
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Sending my condolences
every year I think they’ll make the playoffs and every year they let us down.
