Next PM?

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Just watched May's speech in front of PM Abe to PM Abe in Japan on Sky news before ongoing media questions, she couldn't lift her eyes from the pages to look at him once, nothing memorised, no delivery style or pauses, struggling along at the end with basic reading. Was wincing a bit for her tbh. Must do better, very uninspiring.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Or the prospect of a younger Tory who can actually connect with the British public and who reigns in the hard Brexiters against Corbyn (who is doing himself no favours whatsoever on Brexit) could lead to big Tory gains. Tomato Tomayto...
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Wee Ruthie proves that they do exist...and there must be a wee Ruthie somewhere in the ranks of the Tory party in England.
 
Heseltine putting the boot into May on sky news as I type. Thin ice....
 
MegaSteve said:
Resurrect DaveCam?

And, you are right about Jezza... He should have stuck to his beliefs...
His butt cheeks are now red raw from sitting on the fence..
Hugely disappointed with him...
A vote wasted...
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Well someone like him when he became leader, but possibly with a bit less Eton pig based baggage.

The more I see of May, and trying to ignore her politics which I mostly completely disagree with, I just am not convinced about her purely on a leadership/inspiring level as someone to unite and lead this country.
 
Hacker Khan said:
The more I see of May, and trying to ignore her politics which I mostly completely disagree with, I just am not convinced about her purely on a leadership/inspiring level as someone to unite and lead this country.
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Do you know what her politics actually are though...

I am sure she doesn't even know herself as her stance seems to flip flop on a daily basis...
 
MegaSteve said:
Do you know what her politics actually are though...

I am sure she doesn't even know herself as her stance seems to flip flop on a daily basis...
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I'd almost put money on her being a Christian Democrat - quoting from the well know oracle

Christian democratic parties are political parties that seek to apply Christian principles to public policy. Christian democracy often advocates centre-right positions on cultural, social, and moral issues and social market economic policies. In Europe, where their opponents have traditionally been secularist socialists, Christian democratic parties are moderately conservative overall

..and so now that she is in a position of real power (as Home Sec she blustered a lot and achieved very little) she feels very uncomfortable with what is expected of her by her party - hence how unauthentic she can come across as - at times displaying what could be almost nervous tics.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I'd almost put money on her being a Christian Democrat - quoting from the well know oracle

Christian democratic parties are political parties that seek to apply Christian principles to public policy. Christian democracy often advocates centre-right positions on cultural, social, and moral issues and social market economic policies. In Europe, where their opponents have traditionally been secularist socialists, Christian democratic parties are moderately conservative overall

..and so now that she is in a position of real power (as Home Sec she blustered a lot and achieved very little) she feels very uncomfortable with what is expected of her by her party - hence how unauthentic she can come across as - at times displaying what could be almost nervous tics.
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You are probably not far wrong in that assessment...
 
On ITV’s Good Morning Britain today Jacob Rees Mogg explains how he against abortion in ALL circumstances and is opposed to gay marriage.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...posed-to-gay-marriage-and-abortion-even-after

Now Tim Farron resigned as Leader of the LibDems on the grounds that, whilst he could separate his faith beliefs from affecting his policy making as LibDem leader, he realised that many of the public would not believe that to be the case and so could be damaging to the party.

So whither Rees Mogg?

Has Moggie shot himself in both of his very privileged paws in respect of leadership of the Tories.
 
I was under the impression that there could not be a catholic pm. Hence Blair waited to come out of the closet til he had resigned.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
On ITV’s Good Morning Britain today Jacob Rees Mogg explains how he against abortion in ALL circumstances and is opposed to gay marriage.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...posed-to-gay-marriage-and-abortion-even-after

Now Tim Farron resigned as Leader of the LibDems on the grounds that, whilst he could separate his faith beliefs from affecting his policy making as LibDem leader, he realised that many of the public would not believe that to be the case and so could be damaging to the party.

So whither Rees Mogg?

Has Moggie shot himself in both of his very privileged paws in respect of leadership of the Tories.
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Said it before but he wont be the leader as he is a living parody of some posh Tory toff. Which is amusing for 5 minutes and will appeal to certain types, but will quickly wear very thin with a lot of he electorate.
 
murphthemog said:
I was under the impression that there could not be a catholic pm. Hence Blair waited to come out of the closet til he had resigned.
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Not prohibited.

But rather awkward constitutionally - and perhaps even legally - unless a workaround of an 1829 Act of Parliament is made.

Hacker Khan said:
Said it before but he wont be the leader as he is a living parody of some posh Tory toff. Which is amusing for 5 minutes and will appeal to certain types, but will quickly wear very thin with a lot of he electorate.
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I'd have used 'epitome' and added 'condescending'! But otherwise, a perfect description!

Not sure whether he or Bozo would be more embarrassing for the Tories!
 
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It is a worry that there appears so little talent running the country at the moment and there is no one from the other parties who you would trust to run the country either.

Even as a tory supporter I feel that the most credible recent candidate was David Milliband - Labour shot themselves in the foot by selecting his brother as leader.
 
GG26 said:
It is a worry that there appears so little talent running the country at the moment and there is no one from the other parties who you would trust to run the country either.

Even as a tory supporter I feel that the most credible recent candidate was David Milliband - Labour shot themselves in the foot by selecting his brother as leader.
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Nothing stopping him returning.

Or maybe Chuka Umunna will change his mind...

Can't think of anyone on the Tory side. I though May was the best bet to make decent fist of it - how wrong was I.
 
Boris is prowling again for the top job, seems yesterday's Telegraph 10 point piece is a move on his part with the paper backing him strongly for PM's job, RuthieD slapped it down on twitter as bad timing/disloyalty given the tube terror incident and May is silent. Has Boris caculated this well? Seems like he wants PM job sooner rather than later. Was backing out last year for Tory leadership therefore a well planned decision from Boris or just luck that May has turned out to be fairly hopeless, thereby increasing Boris's chances massively now.
IMO if BJ takes a run at the leadership soon he'll win. May carries no weight with the 1922 lot.
Thought of PM Johnson would have worried me greatly a year ago but now I'm not sure - maybe he would make a better PM and could handle the EU/Brexit business more effectively.
Thoughts?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Nothing stopping him returning.

Or maybe Chuka Umunna will change his mind...

Can't think of anyone on the Tory side. I though May was the best bet to make decent fist of it - how wrong was I.
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I might not agree with David Davies politics but I think he's head and shoulders above anything in UK politics at present.... bring back David Milliband!!
 
maxfli65 said:
Boris is prowling again for the top job, seems yesterday's Telegraph 10 point piece is a move on his part with the paper backing him strongly for PM's job, RuthieD slapped it down on twitter as bad timing/disloyalty given the tube terror incident and May is silent. Has Boris caculated this well? Seems like he wants PM job sooner rather than later. Was backing out last year for Tory leadership therefore a well planned decision from Boris or just luck that May has turned out to be fairly hopeless, thereby increasing Boris's chances massively now.
IMO if BJ takes a run at the leadership soon he'll win. May carries no weight with the 1922 lot.
Thought of PM Johnson would have worried me greatly a year ago but now I'm not sure - maybe he would make a better PM and could handle the EU/Brexit business more effectively.
Thoughts?
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The guy is a nasty opportunist. He was one of the main players in Brexit where he was mostly driven by personal greed and a wish to get rid of Cameron so he could become PM and he was prepared to screw the country up to achieve that. He wrote 2 columns, one for Brexit and one against and basically chose which one to use based on what was best for his political career. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...vealed-expressing-doubts-brexit-a7363781.html He is regarded as a joke by most respected foreign governments who surprisingly enough do not buy into the 'posh endearing toff' shtick. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/the-world-reacts-to-boris/491381/ He is now repeating the 350 million claim one minute (which we all know is a lie) and going back on it the next. Following Trump in the 'if I just say enough lies they will believe some of it' tactics. And in his 10 point plan for Brexit success, one of his points was.

Brexit will be a success, “This country will succeed in our new national enterprise, and will succeed mightily.”

That is not a plan, it is just a vague statement of what he wants to happen. He's seen how Trump seems to say any old BS and some people lap it up so he's trying the same. It's like me putting a 10 point plan to get down to scratch with one of the points being 'I will get down to scratch and I will feel great'

He is a joke and to me is says so much about the paucity of potential leaders of this country of him and Rees Mogg are seriously being considered. Is that the best we can offer, harking back to the 1800s when we were ruled by posh toffs from Eton and we knew our place.' I wish the UK would just look forwards for a change, not back with some Thatcher clone or the type of leaders who were in charge when we last has an empire. Move on, nothing to see here.....
 
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There are so many of them, there must be a reasonable competent Tory hiding somewhere. They just don't seem to be able to get them onto the front benches. And from the back benchers we only hear of the one guy who reminds me of Sir Norman Fry.
 
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