Patrick57
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Because its worked with the vast majority of students I have converted and they don't go back to full sets.
Try it and then make your own mind up.
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Because its worked with the vast majority of students I have converted and they don't go back to full sets.
Try it and then make your own mind up.
Patrick57
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Fred Shoemaker covers this very well in his second book, "Extraordinary Putting"
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not very helpfull I'm afraid, Googled I C E method in golf and it pretty much doesnt come up with anything.
Isn't it just something you've formulated yourself? nothing wrong with that but you intimated and suggested its a well known methodology, if its your own and you want to share you'll need to explain it a tad more
Patrick57
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Since we're talking about wind ups
S&T, D-Plane, NBFL, Trackman, amateurs with 14 clubs, long putters, not having to conquer fear, a 2 handed pendulum motion, yips having nothing to do with fear etc etc etc
jdchelsea
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Is the pressure, thrill, adrenaline, fear, excitement, challenge to get good scores/reduce handicaps, the competition and joy not the reason we all play this game?
If there was no emotional attachment and mixture of feelings (positive and negative) the game would become boring! Don't try to subdue your feelings embrace them because that's why we're out on the fairways.
If there was no emotional attachment and mixture of feelings (positive and negative) the game would become boring! Don't try to subdue your feelings embrace them because that's why we're out on the fairways.
Patrick57
Head Pro
Did I say it was well known? I am certainly an expert at using the ICE method but its not my invention/discovery.
Perhaps this simple drill would clarify just how it works.
I give a beginner a chipping lesson and describe the shot as cutting the grass smoothly with the leading edge of, lets say a nine iron.
Intention - cut the grass smoothly
Commitment - give a mark for how smoothly the grass was cut
Evaluation - what happens to the ball when I cut the grass under the ball smoothly.
Most students become very good chippers using this method and rarely have to return to me to learn this again.
Patrick57
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I have had the honour/luck to have shot two 67's in tournament golf. I didn't enjoy the first one until the round was over as I thought my heart was going to burst because I was so scared that I was going to blow it.
The second one I enjoyed much more because I played that one in a state of complete control where fear and nervousness were kept at very low levels.
After the first 67, I was glad to be finished, with the second one I didn't want it to finish.
One Planer
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This is, probably, the most ignorant post I think I've read since I've been on this forum.
Just because something doesn't conform to what YOU think to be correct it is dismissed.
S&T is a viable swing pattern, for proof see Charlie Wi and others on tour.
Trackman is a marvel of modern science and, arguably , has helped amateurs and professional gain an edge and/or added enjoyment from this game.
D-plane abd the NBFL, ill leave to the people who know what they are talking about, not you.
There are amateur golfers on this forum who have a handicap of lower than 4 ( Your arbitrary handicap) and carry 14 clubs..... Are they wrong too?
Long/belly putters are a legal club to use by either professional or amateur players. Prove me wrong?
I think I've just found my first addition to my blocked list!!!
jdchelsea
Head Pro
I don't disagree that you have to control your emotions but I think it needs to be through awareness of them and not by eradicating them. Which I don't think is possible, eradicating them I mean. I don't want to play this game like a robot.I want to enjoy and celebrate the good shots and rue the bad ones.
Pro's are a great example of this. Take someone like Duffner who's demeanor never changes regardless of what he does or someone like tiger woods who demonstrates the full range of emotions from extreme anger to extreme joy. We play golf for the emotions and should not view them as negative side effects.
One Planer
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Excellent point. You could say the same for K.J Choi
RGDave
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I'm not sure why I'm relying, considering your purposefully disputatious stance on every last post. If you're not hear to listen and appreciate other peoples opinions and comments without getting terribly defensive about all your ideas (some of which I am enjoying reading), then maybe you should move on.
It is just possible (you never know) there are people on here with an equal, or greater measure of experience and expertise in other areas you might learn from. Just a thought.
Sorry Patrick but I don't get or buy into this obsession with limiting your options and using fewer clubs. It might work for you, and your pupils but it isn't anything I've seen advocated by any teaching or club pro I know. I think as long as you have a decent and repeatable technique it is far better to have the right tool for the job than trying to manufacture something because you are between clubs.
I think you should accept that a large number on here are hppy playing with full sets, not all want to play at a top level and want to play with their mates for a few quid and a laugh. You seem obssessed on convertin everyone into being some calm focussed player trying to get their handicap downin some sort of relentless quest
Patrick57
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Lighten up man, I was replying to someone who was winding me up. I certainly hit a nerve with you.
None of the above spark my flame but each to their own. We can all choose to follow what we want, I think.
I haven't said anyone was wrong. Again, each to their own
Your loss!
One Planer
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Look at it this way
You know I practice regularly. I have 2/3 practice days per week working to improve my game.
With practice my game will improve (School of Snelly
) and as a result my handicap will, in time , come down.This is how I work. When I took up the game in 2010 I was off 28. When I was taking it super serious, I struggled to get under 24, simply because of the pressure I put on myself in every medal round.
Since taking the pressure off, practicing more and enjoying myself, my handicap has steadily come down to 18.
It did go back to 19 (18.5) at the start of the season after two poor comps gave me .1 back each time, however I won the previous months stableford and got cut .6 to my current 17.9.
I shot 3 under my handicap in yesterdays medal so, with a bit of luck will get another reduction.
We all handle pressure in different ways, this is mine and it works for me :thup:
Are we still on with the "carry a half set" stupidity. I carry 14 clubs but rarely use all of them in a round. But if I need an iron to hit xx yards I have it in the bag. I don't have to hood another iron or try and feather it in. I don't have to go down the grip y amount in the hope I've gone down far enough. I can make the repeatable swing I use for each club, the difference in yardage played made by using a different club, not adding a variable like those listed above.
Rather than making the game easier, I think you are adding in variables that actually make the game harder. You're over complicating it.
Am I qualified to give an opinion on it? No not qualified, I only have 45 years experience most of which were/are at low singles figures. Oh, and I have shot mid 60's in competition golf and enjoyed every second of every round.
Each to their own but, and sorry, you are talking expensive watches - Rolex.
Rather than making the game easier, I think you are adding in variables that actually make the game harder. You're over complicating it.
Am I qualified to give an opinion on it? No not qualified, I only have 45 years experience most of which were/are at low singles figures. Oh, and I have shot mid 60's in competition golf and enjoyed every second of every round.
Each to their own but, and sorry, you are talking expensive watches - Rolex.
OldMate
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Mashed potatoeeeees!
I stated that you intimated it was well known by the post below plus also stating it's described in a well known putting book.
I'm still no further foward understanding the process and methodology from you yet you say you are an expert in ICE
kid2
Money List Winner
Thats a hell of a lot of thinking to be doing between shots in a full round......
Would it not be more beneficial to your students to use a 10 yard rule....Free their mind of everything after 10 steps.......
e.g.........If they hit a bad shot then forget about it after 10 steps and concentrate on the next.......
Im having a hard time believing that your a coach who plays off about 4........But when reading this post you seem to be a part time psychologist also......
What i do is accept that bad shots will happen before i tee off....Whether that be on the first or the last...
Golf is not a game of perfect...Far from it.....
But one thing i dont want to be thinking about between shots is your ICE method......Its just too much crap to be thinking about.....
And i play with no fear at all....
I do have the odd case of butterflies on the first tee if there is a good crowd about but if you have a sound Pre Shot routine then that'll take care of those....Which i have.
Dave B
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Patrick
With both darts, (I haven't played for a long time), and competitive fishing there was often substantail amounts of money involved.
With the darts when I first started playing I did shake slightly but it was the nervousness of youth and inexperience that gave me the shakes and not the fear of the competition or the person I was playing.
Fishing in big competitions was the same however once you start winning nerves are replaced with confidence, mixed with calculation and expectation however this is tempered with acceptance when things don't go to plan.
With golf I play to enjoy it and don't worry about it because I have come into the game to late to have any false ambitions or delusions. I know my limitations and have come to accept that if I put my mind to it I could be a decent club player but if you took my handicap away and made it a level playing field, like many golfers I'd be distinctly poor to average.
I play purely it to enjoy it and that's the way it should be.
With both darts, (I haven't played for a long time), and competitive fishing there was often substantail amounts of money involved.
With the darts when I first started playing I did shake slightly but it was the nervousness of youth and inexperience that gave me the shakes and not the fear of the competition or the person I was playing.
Fishing in big competitions was the same however once you start winning nerves are replaced with confidence, mixed with calculation and expectation however this is tempered with acceptance when things don't go to plan.
With golf I play to enjoy it and don't worry about it because I have come into the game to late to have any false ambitions or delusions. I know my limitations and have come to accept that if I put my mind to it I could be a decent club player but if you took my handicap away and made it a level playing field, like many golfers I'd be distinctly poor to average.
I play purely it to enjoy it and that's the way it should be.
jdchelsea
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Following on from someone's post in your original thread I had a google to see what forum you had been on previously.........wow seems you were even more unpopular on there. So you were definitely banned from the sand trap, possibly golf wrx and manzella's forum. Using multiple accounts and being abusive were some of the accusations I read. You also posted word for word the same ball flight thread and also had another regarding golf and fear.
Worrying considering your off to a terrible start on here and are basically repeating all your posts that got you into trouble in the first place.
Worrying considering your off to a terrible start on here and are basically repeating all your posts that got you into trouble in the first place.
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