Nani red card!

Kellfire said:
It simply isn't true, that's why.

When we have stone wall penalty decisions or red cards goes against us, it very often doesn't affect the end result of the game so it all gets lost in the mix. This is the same of other top teams so you'd do well to open your eyes to it; people feel the same about your club.

Notice how no one is talking about the penalty we should have had on Tuesday late on? Would it have changed things? Probably not. But remember Munich 1999...

And remember the sending off that never was in Madrid when Evra was taken out when clean through? Nope, thought not... because we ended up getting a draw and that was considered enough to give us a good result.

Game after game we see decisions go for AND against us just like every other team.

Check out the debateable decisions website that shows how decisions widely agreed to be wrong actually impacted us last season... It's grim reading for a Man Utd fan.
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Speak to the vast majority of fans and they would agree that it is true; Man Utd get far more go their way than against them. When teams are at the top of their game, and you have been for a while, you tend to get the rub. Add to that, that referees are scared of upsetting Fergie and as a consequence on balance you get more go your way than against you. Even the FA seem to apply double standards; Allardyce makes adverse comments about the referee, immediately charged, Fergie does the same and is "invited to explain" his comments before eventually being charged.

It's not that people aren't talking about the penalty you didn't get the other night, or indeed the penalty that Madrid didn't get for Rafael's handball, they just can't be heard for all the whining about Nani's dismissal.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Speak to the vast majority of fans and they would agree that it is true; Man Utd get far more go their way than against them. When teams are at the top of their game, and you have been for a while, you tend to get the rub. Add to that, that referees are scared of upsetting Fergie and as a consequence on balance you get more go your way than against you. Even the FA seem to apply double standards; Allardyce makes adverse comments about the referee, immediately charged, Fergie does the same and is "invited to explain" his comments before eventually being charged.

It's not that people aren't talking about the penalty you didn't get the other night, or indeed the penalty that Madrid didn't get for Rafael's handball, they just can't be heard for all the whining about Nani's dismissal.
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Do you really believe that nonsense in your first paragraph? There's a reason that it's fans of other clubs that think we get more decisions...

As for Rafael, good one. No intent, no handball.
 
MadAdey said:
Why will the United fans not accept that under the rules of the game the referee was within his rights to send him off for serious foul play on the fact that in going for the ball Nani endangered and opponent.
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I am not a Man Utd fan, but I am a football fan.

I still do not think that was a sending off offence, yellow card yes. It was not serious foul play, but reckless in my opinion.

Definition of reckless :Player has acted with complete disregard of the danger or consequence for his opponent. Punishment shall be cautioned.

Definition of serious foul play. Using excessive force (note that word) means the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force, and is in danger of injuring his opponent.

Nani was trying to control the ball. His leg and ankle were limp as he tried to cushion the ball on his foot. Anyone that has played the game will know that is how you try and control a high dropping ball. You do not use force to do so. If Nani had been trying to volley the ball way, then he may well have been using excessive force, but he was not. I can't think of another player I have seen sent off for trying to control a ball, and I have seen a lot of games over a lot of years.

The idea that a high foot is automatically a sending off offence is rubbish as well. Yes referees in Europe will give a foul for a high foot more than in England, but they don't send off every player that does it. Some may even be booked, but to be sent off there needs to be excessive force. In all the years I have played the game, and watched I have never seen a player sent off for trying to control a ball.

As I mentioned before I do not support Man Utd. I just know what I saw. Football is a game of opinions, and the above is mine.
 
richart said:
I am not a Man Utd fan, but I am a football fan.

I still do not think that was a sending off offence, yellow card yes. It was not serious foul play, but reckless in my opinion.

Definition of reckless :Player has acted with complete disregard of the danger or consequence for his opponent. Punishment shall be cautioned.

Definition of serious foul play. Using excessive force (note that word) means the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force, and is in danger of injuring his opponent.

Nani was trying to control the ball. His leg and ankle were limp as he tried to cushion the ball on his foot. Anyone that has played the game will know that is how you try and control a high dropping ball. You do not use force to do so. If Nani had been trying to volley the ball way, then he may well have been using excessive force, but he was not. I can't think of another player I have seen sent off for trying to control a ball, and I have seen a lot of games over a lot of years.

The idea that a high foot is automatically a sending off offence is rubbish as well. Yes referees in Europe will give a foul for a high foot more than in England, but they don't send off every player that does it. Some may even be booked, but to be sent off there needs to be excessive force. In all the years I have played the game, and watched I have never seen a player sent off for try and control a ball.

As I mentioned before I do not support Man Utd. I just know what I saw. Football is a game of opinions, and the above is mine.
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:whoo: :clap: :clap: :thup:

A sensible Neutral voice! :lol:
 
Kellfire said:
Watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN2TB2PaGac

Clearly no intent.

Seriously, why do people with an agenda try to discuss football rationally. :/
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I didn't have to watch it, but did.

How can you say he hasn't put his hand up to block the header (thereby making his hand a target). I don't think any other Man U fans have said this wasn't a penalty. Yes, I hate man U, but as a few man U fans on here will tell you, I'll say it fair.

Wellbeck should have had a pen, Arebeloa was lucky to stay on, Nani's was harsh, but Rafael's was defo a pen. No doubt.

Ask yourself this if Rafael would have been Ramos - would you have appealed, damn right you would.

Take your man U tinted glasses off, snuggle under your Man U quilt, and see it for what it was, a penalty.
 
I disagree with 90% of refereeing decisions that are made week in week out regardless of which teams are playing.

Football now is all about gaining advantage now, 50/50 tackles always end up with a player being booked because 1 player came off worse, its pathetic really and its down to the idiots who are running the game.

Let's get football back to good,solid competitive tackling, jib these headteacher like refs and start refereeing using common sense and not a rule book.
 
Stuart_C said:
Let's get football back to good,solid competitive tackling, jib these headteacher like refs and start refereeing using common sense and not a rule book.
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No chance of football ever returning to the days when a hard tackle was just part and parcel of the game, in fact there is more chance of it becoming a non contact sport and all types of tackles being banned.

It pains me to say it but the game that I love is dead and in its place we have a sterile, passionless impersonation.

Won't be long before the powers that be n football have turned it into a basketball-esque sport with no contact and just end to end attacks ending in crazy scorelines.
 
Liverbirdie said:
No mate I don't get obsessed with Man U.

So do you think:-

Arebeloa should have been sent off.

nani's wasn't even a booking.

Wellbeck (or was it Evra)'s was a pen.

Rafael's wasn't a pen.
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Arbeloa - yellow

Nani - yellow

Evra in first leg - clear red

Rafael - no pen, no intent as per the rules.

Why do people like you try and twist things?
 
smange said:
No chance of football ever returning to the days when a hard tackle was just part and parcel of the game, in fact there is more chance of it becoming a non contact sport and all types of tackles being banned.

It pains me to say it but the game that I love is dead and in its place we have a sterile, passionless impersonation.

Won't be long before the powers that be n football have turned it into a basketball-esque sport with no contact and just end to end attacks ending in crazy scorelines.
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Agreed - we can thank Sepp blatter for that - how can one man wield so much power?
 
Kellfire said:
Arbeloa - yellow

Nani - yellow

Evra in first leg - clear red

Rafael - no pen, no intent as per the rules.

Why do people like you try and twist things?
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What am I trying to twist?

The other penalty you should have had was in the 2nd leg of the 2nd half, Ramos fouled either Wellbeck or Evra on the edge of the box.

Ok then, why was rafael's hand a foot above his head, and do you think that is a natural position when trying to head a ball off the line.

You know in your heart of hearts that it is not. I have seen loads of man U fans of football365 say that Rafael's was a pen.
 
Kellfire said:
Arbeloa - yellow

Nani - yellow

Evra in first leg - clear red

Rafael - no pen, no intent as per the rules.

Why do people like you try and twist things?
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Which Arbeloa booking are you on about?

He got booked for a foul that was harsh imo, I can't remember another one.
 
Liverbirdie said:
What am I trying to twist?

The other penalty you should have had was in the 2nd leg of the 2nd half, Ramos fouled either Wellbeck or Evra on the edge of the box.

Ok then, why was rafael's hand a foot above his head, and do you think that is a natural position when trying to head a ball off the line.

You know in your heart of hearts that it is not. I have seen loads of man U fans of football365 say that Rafael's was a pen.
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A foot above his head?

Lol.
 
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