Membership fees, are they hurting clubs?

[Deleted member 15717]

Certainly at one of my old clubs, there was a well established group of members (the great and the good of the club) who wanted to increase the membership costs as much as possible. Sadly as they were from a generation of golfers who remember clubs in the 70s and 8os and the prestige associated with golf club membership, they wanted to increase the 'exclusivity' of the club by pricing out certain sections of the community. I would not be surprised if some would happily double the cost and half the membership to get back the exclusive 'I am a member of the club' feeling that they used to have.

Why shouldn’t clubs want a bit more exclusivity. Why should all clubs be open to all? I’d gladly play more to cut down on members and foot traffic at my club, to have more availability on tee times etc.

 

[GB72]

Why shouldn’t clubs want a bit more exclusivity. Why should all clubs be open to all? I’d gladly play more to cut down on members and foot traffic at my club, to have more availability on tee times etc.

Because that involved telling a percentage of the existing membership that they are no longer welcome and we are judging that not on your contribution to the club but on the size of your wallet. There is very much a social implication to the attitude of some involved and not simply one of access to tee times and foot traffic.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Because that involved telling a percentage of the existing membership that they are no longer welcome and we are judging that not on your contribution to the club but on the size of your wallet. There is very much a social implication to the attitude of some involved and not simply one of access to tee times and foot traffic.

…with perhaps one of the best (or worst) examples being just up the road from me back in 2015…what a stushie that was…

The rich v the very, very rich: the rebellion at Wentworth golf club

The long read: When a Chinese billionaire bought one of Britain’s most prestigious golf clubs in 2015, dentists and estate agents were confronted with the unsentimental force of globalised capital

www.theguardian.com

 

[Oddsocks]

I wonder what the member retention numbers are like on those charging JF.

My current club is a non JF club and I think the run under the 10-15% membership churn per year. Now that figure is across all categories and from juniors through to vets but we always have newbies jointing so I believe the numbers are pretty stable overall.

Is it a case that with a members club with maybe 5% member turn they can afford to run the JF scheme.

 

[SteveW86]

I wonder what the member retention numbers are like on those charging JF.

My current club is a non JF club and I think the run under the 10-15% membership churn per year. Now that figure is across all categories and from juniors through to vets but we always have newbies jointing so I believe the numbers are pretty stable overall.

Is it a case that with a members club with maybe 5% member turn they can afford to run the JF scheme.

I believe the club I am on the waiting list to join has a turn of 3% annually.

 

[Paperboy]

At my club, I paid a joining fee over 5 years. If you did this it was 20% of that yearly fee.
Then when I had my bad spell on the course I went to social member so when I was ready to play again I could rejoin without a joining fee.

 

[IanM]

I believe the club I am on the waiting list to join has a turn of 3% annually.

Are you back on the list for Stoneham?

 

[D-S]

I wonder what the member retention numbers are like on those charging JF.

My current club is a non JF club and I think the run under the 10-15% membership churn per year. Now that figure is across all categories and from juniors through to vets but we always have newbies jointing so I believe the numbers are pretty stable overall.

Is it a case that with a members club with maybe 5% member turn they can afford to run the JF scheme.

Churn at my club is usually around 5% but has been less since COVID - we have always had a joining fee although payable over 3 years or so - we have had a waiting list for the past 10 years or so, off and on in the years before that.

 

[SteveW86]

Are you back on the list for Stoneham?

Yes, #6 on the list after 3 years of waiting. Spoke to them yesterday and although their membership year runs September to September, they dont bring new members in until April.

 

[clubchamp98]

Like Imurg mentioned earlier, it's technically a joining fee dressed up as a loyalty scheme, you just pay over so many years then as soon as the numbers started to increase during the pandemic they applied a joining fee on top.

Another gripe I have with joining fees is it's not always fairly applied, for instance I'm aware of a club only charging a joining fee to 7 day members, these are the people who already pay the highest membership costs and potentially play the least amount of golf.

Ours is £1400 JF.

but if your Female or under 30yds old you don’t pay it.

So a multi millionaire female ( any age)or young man under 30 JF = £0

Bin man ( yes he was) 32 yrs old JF =£1400.

So much for equality!!!

 

[GB72]

Ours is £1400 JF.

but if your Female or under 30yds old you don’t pay it.

So a multi millionaire female ( any age)or young man under 30 JF = £0

Bin man ( yes he was) 32 yrs old JF =£1400.

So much for equality!!!

Serious question but how does that fly with the transgender issues. If I apply to join and identify as female do I get the save £1400.00, would I have to pay if I then reverted to male pronouns.

This is not meant as a dig or any comment on the club nor is it meant at any comment on gender issues but simply an interest in how gender specific benefits apply in a more gender fluid world.

 

[Oddsocks]

Ours is £1400 JF.

but if your Female or under 30yds old you don’t pay it.

So a multi millionaire female ( any age)or young man under 30 JF = £0

Bin man ( yes he was) 32 yrs old JF =£1400.

So much for equality!!!

Completely against equal rights and discrimination! Legally that’s a very sticky place.

 

[Jimaroid]

Completely against equal rights and discrimination! Legally that’s a very sticky place.

Incorrect. It’s permissible when done to achieve a legitimate aim, like wanting to attract young members. If the existing female members want to attract more young female members they can do so.

 

[Oddsocks]

Incorrect. It’s permissible when done to achieve a legitimate aim, like wanting to attract young members. If the existing female members want to attract more young female members they can do so.

So what’s to stop someone identifying as a young female golfer?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

So what’s to stop someone identifying as a young female golfer?

Nothing. Try it.

 

[doublebogey7]

So what’s to stop someone identifying as a young female golfer?

Nothing I guess but they would be allocated a Female Handicap and many clubs would still require her to play from the red tee's (which I suspect is against thre law).

 

[IanM]

Nothing. Try it.

But you'll need to be consistent in all your activities.

I wonder who defines "legitimate aim?"

 

[Deleted member 23270]

But you'll need to be consistent in all your activities.

You mean like showering with the ladies?

 

[D-S]

But you'll need to be consistent in all your activities.

I wonder who defines "legitimate aim?"

A lawyer I guess, if you’re brought before a court for discriminatory practices.

 

[Orikoru]

Not a fan of joining fees, and as such I personally wouldn't ever consider joining a club which charged one.

In my humble opinion the return of them are clubs becoming greedy, the short term boost clubs had from covid will slowly fade away, membership levels will eventually return to pre-pandemic levels.

Completely agree. I would never consider a club that had a joining fee, unless it was a very small amount. Just ripping you off. I'd prefer a club that stops members leaving by treating it's members well and keeping a good course standard, not just by making them feel trapped as they paid a whopping joining fee.