SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
In a club matchplay competition can the players ignore stroke indexing and instead agree the holes that any shots given by one player to the other can be taken.
If you have say 5 shots you’ll get them on index 1 up to 5. Why would you want to do different? Curious.In a club matchplay competition can the players ignore stroke indexing and instead agree the holes that any shots given by one player to the other can be taken.
In a club matchplay competition can the players ignore stroke indexing and instead agree the holes that any shots given by one player to the other can be taken.
Which is of course exactly as I‘ve always thought, but let’s just say I give one shot. Why could I not give my opponent a shot on a hole that is not SI 1, and he decides to not take it on the SI 1.Appendix E of the WHS says:
The Rules of Golf state: “The Committee is responsible for publishing on the
scorecard or somewhere else that is visible (for example, near the first tee) the
order of holes at which handicap strokes are to be given or received.” (See Rules of Golf, Committee Procedures, Rule 5I (4)).
Which inter alia says:
Match Play – In a handicap match, the Committee should clarify the following in the Terms of the Competition:
The stroke index allocation to be used to identify the order of holes where players will give or receive handicap strokes.
It seems clear that the players have no choice in the matter
If someone subsequently finds out would the winner be DQd?Who's to know? Just report the result to the committee.
As both would have agreed to waive a rule both would be DQd.If someone subsequently finds out would the winner be DQd?
Indeed, except the loser wouldnt have anything to be getting DQd from.As both would have agreed to waive a rule both would be DQd.
I’m not thinking of doing it, but the circumstances made me wonder if I could.Its 18 holes match play, Just bring your A game. Personally if an opponent turned up on the 1st tee and said he wants his shots on x,y and z holes I’d say no and that could then lead to bad feeling possibly. Match play can be stressful without changing things. Or is that your tactic ???
In a match I can choose to ignore rule breaches by my opponent if I so choose, as likewise can he choose to ignore any rule breach I might commit. And so I am simply asking for a Rule that prohibits what I suggest.Just make it up as you go along why not?
Again, what do the Terms of the Competition say about how strokes will be applied? Players must not deviate from those Terms or they may be dq’d.In a match I can choose to ignore rule breaches by my opponent if I so choose, as likewise can he choose to ignore any rule breach I might commit. And so I am simply asking for a Rule that prohibits what I suggest.
OK, try these then:In a match I can choose to ignore rule breaches by my opponent if I so choose, as likewise can he choose to ignore any rule breach I might commit. And so I am simply asking for a Rule that prohibits what I suggest.
The players cannot agree to breach the rules 3.2d(4)In a match I can choose to ignore rule breaches by my opponent if I so choose, as likewise can he choose to ignore any rule breach I might commit. And so I am simply asking for a Rule that prohibits what I suggest.
I’m not trying to be sneaky or tricky…I’m just wondering what the rules say. And this from 3.2c(2) indicates to me that what I am asking about is a failure to apply a stroke on a hole, no mention of deliberate, result of hole would stand, and so in respect of the rules we’d be OK.OK, try these then:
3.2c(2)
Each player is responsible for knowing the holes where they give or get handicap strokes, based on the stroke index allocation set by the Committee (which is usually found on the scorecard).
3.2d(4)
...if the player and opponent agree not to apply the Rules ....... and either of those players has started the round, they are both disqualified under Rule 1.3b.
Although, having said that, 3.2c(2) does go on to contemplate inadvertent failure to apply handicap strokes correctly:
If the players fail to apply or mistakenly apply handicap strokes on a hole, the agreed result of the hole stands, unless the players correct that mistake in time
But, rather than trying to be sneaky or tricky, or trying to outsmart everybody else by looking for loopholes, why not just play in the spirit of the game as required by Rule 1.2a:
Conduct Expected of All Players
All players are expected to play in the spirit of the game by:
Acting with integrity – for example, by following the Rules
Breaching the Terms of the Comp I get…but what rule would we be breaching given what @SR has posted in respect of Rule 3.2c(2).The players cannot agree to breach the rules 3.2d(4)
Of course I understand giving shots on holes according to SI, but that’s not my question.If you are giving one shot, you give it on the hole that is stroke index 1.
How is that hard to understand and to follow?