Matchplay Ruling

[Backache]

Come to think of it, it would actually be a high risk low reward way of cheating. The best benefit is likely to be a stroke ona hole that may or may not count.
The risk is of a perfectly innocent conversation. Wow you're playing well saw your name down for the medal want did you score? You do realise you should have cut your handicap and I claim the match. Any lies will be spotted immediately and you will be risking losing a match whilst you are in good form on a technicality.

 

[rulefan]

Of course CONGU regulation 8.5 states:

Prior to playing in any competition ascertain whether all appropriate reductions to Playing Handicap
have been made or alternatively comply with the responsibilities set out in Clause 20.11 .

 

[Imurg]

Of course CONGU regulation 8.5 states:

Prior to playing in any competition ascertain whether all appropriate reductions to Playing Handicap
have been made or alternatively comply with the responsibilities set out in Clause 20.11 .

So there's another regulation, OK its not a Rule, that you contravene and, effectively get away with it, whether by design or mistake.
It just seems strange that there is a "get out of jail free" card for playing off a falsely high handicap..

 

[Backache]

So there's another regulation, OK its not a Rule, that you contravene and, effectively get away with it, whether by design or mistake.
It just seems strange that there is a "get out of jail free" card for playing off a falsely high handicap..

You may get away with it but you may well not get away with it one innocent question any time between you declaring your handicap and posting your score and you are disqualified.
Is the reward of one stroke on one hole worth it?
You can get away with many other much more beneficial forms of cheating if you really want to.

 

[TheJezster]

I've asked at our club regarding this specific situation and they are adamant that we go by what is posted on the club board. No self cutting.

Most wouldnt even know about the need to do it anyway, but when I talked about this to one of my regular partners he said no thats not true and checked with both pro's and they agreed with him.

 

[delc]

I've asked at our club regarding this specific situation and they are adamant that we go by what is posted on the club board. No self cutting.

Most wouldnt even know about the need to do it anyway, but when I talked about this to one of my regular partners he said no thats not true and checked with both pro's and they agreed with him.

You may not self increase your handicap until the results have been published. So if your handicap is 14.4 (playing h/cap 14) and you have a poor round in a comp, you cannot increase this to 14.5/15 until formerly notified. On the other hand if you have a good round and know you are likely to be cut, you should do this against the course SSS before playing in any more comps or matches.

 

[TheJezster]

You may not self increase your handicap until the results have been published. So if your handicap is 14.4 (playing h/cap 14) and you have a poor round in a comp, you cannot increase this to 14.5/15 until formerly notified. On the other hand if you have a good round and know you are likely to be cut, you should do this against the course SSS before playing in any more comps or matches.

Yes. That much we know, it's all written above. How is that relevant to my post?

 

[rosecott]

Yes. That much we know, it's all written above. How is that relevant to my post?

I can't believe that I'm leaping to delc's defence.

I interpreted your post as saying that your club insists that self-reduction following a better than SSS round (before the result is posted) before playing another round should not take place. Delc's post was emphasising that the self-reduction must take place.

 

[TheJezster]

I can't believe that I'm leaping to delc's defence.

I interpreted your post as saying that your club insists that self-reduction following a better than SSS round (before the result is posted) before playing another round should not take place. Delc's post was emphasising that the self-reduction must take place.

Maybe I misread it then. I know the rule, I was simply saying that at our club its not adhered to. Not a lot I can do about that really, I've pointed it out and been told how it works.

 

[rulefan]

Maybe I misread it then. I know the rule, I was simply saying that at our club its not adhered to. Not a lot I can do about that really, I've pointed it out and been told how it works.

I hope you members who ever play in away at open comps know what to do. It would be unfortunate if your club committee was responsible for him losing out on a prize.

You can of course do something about it. Post a message here
http://www.englandgolf.org/
and click
CLUB MEMBER
HANDICAP
& BENEFITS SCHEME

Then click
Handicap Enquiry

 

[rosecott]

Maybe I misread it then. I know the rule, I was simply saying that at our club its not adhered to. Not a lot I can do about that really, I've pointed it out and been told how it works.

I hope you members who ever play in away at open comps know what to do. It would be unfortunate if your club committee was responsible for him losing out on a prize.



You can of course do something about it. Post a message here
http://www.englandgolf.org/
and click
CLUB MEMBER
HANDICAP
& BENEFITS SCHEME

Then click
Handicap Enquiry

Perhaps the club should also be reminded that there is a UHS compliance list to adhere to as an affiliated club. Here's one that's on the list:

"Display a notice or otherwise advise (and remind) Members of their responsibilities
to the UHS?"

The CONGU UHS manual contains a list of the responsibilities of members and this could/should be on display.

 

[rulefan]

Maybe I misread it then. I know the rule, I was simply saying that at our club its not adhered to. Not a lot I can do about that really, I've pointed it out and been told how it works.

What would happen if someone won the monthly medal or honours board event with an incorrect handicap and the real winner were to find out? The words 'protecting the field' come to mind.

 

[TheJezster]

What would happen if someone won the monthly medal or honours board event with an incorrect handicap and the real winner were to find out? The words 'protecting the field' come to mind.

I don't think anyone knows about this rule so don't think it would cause an issue at our club

 

[rulefan]

I don't think anyone knows about this rule

Except the committee

 

[Old Skier]

It's not that complicated, or bizarre.

Work backwards - you have a fundamental principle that once competitions are closed (results published etc) any issue can only be re - opened if he player knew he had breached a rule before it was closed. You have to draw a line sometime!
.

As the player knew he had played a blinder and a player is responsible for their handicap it does sound a little bizarre.

 

[duncan mackie]

As the player knew he had played a blinder and a player is responsible for their handicap it does sound a little bizarre.

It's often not a blinder that creates the situation - ones i've seen involved a medal round with a large score at 1 hole and a stableford adjustment (1 under SSS was all that was needed for a cut) and another involved someone who was used to playing in competitions from the yellow tees (71) but played in a midweek comp from the whites (73),against par of 72. He scored 36 points which wouldn't result in a cut from the yellows but did result in a cut from the whites - easy and obvious confusion (and if you new the individual there was scope for confusion!); this one was further confused because it was a BB match play and his regular partner handled the handicaps and allowances etc etc

I think the earlier post highlighting just how poor a deliberate strategy would be has been overlooked by most; and even accidental will cost more than it delivers.