Matchplay Ruling

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm going to check the rules book but thought would also ask here

Player A and B arrange a Matchplay

Player A has a great round in medal and will cut possibly 2 shots when the comp is finalised - before that he has to play the Matchplay and doesn't realise that he has to cut himself against SSS.

They play and player a wins - player B after the results is told that the player should have cut himself

So what happens to the match result ? Null and Void and replayed ? Stays as it is ?

 

[Imurg]

Player A DQ for playing off incorrect handicap...?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Player A DQ for playing off incorrect handicap...?

I'm not sure because it's Matchplay ?

 

[doublebogey7]

Player A is disqualified under Rule 6.2

"Rule 6.2
a. Match Play
Before starting a match in a handicap competition, the players should determine from one another their respective handicaps. If a player begins a match having declared a handicap higher than that to which he is entitled and this affects the number of strokes given or received, he is disqualified; otherwise, the player must play off the declared handicap."

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ok cheers - what is player B realises it was a genuine mistake and is ok with the result standing

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Also does anyone know the "self cut on SSS ruling" ?

Cheers in advance

 

[doublebogey7]

Also does anyone know the "self cut on SSS ruling" ?

Cheers in advance

As the results had not been published he was required to cut himself against SSS (rather than CSS). i.e for every shot under SSS he will need to cut himself by the factor related to his category.

 

[Imurg]

Well, you cut yourself relative to SSS rather than CSS for the purposes of the game until results are posted.
This poses a question should CSS move and you could potentially still be playing off too high a handicap...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As the results had not been published he was required to cut himself against SSS (rather than CSS). i.e for every shot under SSS he will need to cut himself by the factor related to his category.

Do you know the congu rule number for that ? Cheers again

 

[rosecott]

Do you know the congu rule number for that ? Cheers again

20.11 If a player returns a Qualifying Score or Scores below his Playing Handicap at his Home Club or away
and is unable to:
(a) report an away score(s) to his Home Club or
(b) ascertain whether or not his Playing Handicap has been reduced as a result of the score(s)
he must, before playing in another competition at his Home Club or away, for that competition
make such reduction to his Playing Handicap as shall be appropriate under the UHS by applying
the Competition Scratch Score if known, otherwise the Standard Scratch Score, to calculate his Nett
Differential and handicap reduction.
Should a player not know his Exact Handicap, such reduction should be made from his Playing
Handicap less 0.5, (e.g. If Playing Handicap is 6 then reduction should be from 5.5).

 

[doublebogey7]

Clause 20.11 I believe.

 

[duncan mackie]

I'm going to check the rules book but thought would also ask here

Player A and B arrange a Matchplay

Player A has a great round in medal and will cut possibly 2 shots when the comp is finalised - before that he has to play the Matchplay and doesn't realise that he has to cut himself against SSS.

They play and player a wins - player B after the results is told that the player should have cut himself

So what happens to the match result ? Null and Void and replayed ? Stays as it is ?

the result stands and A wins

A cannot subsequently concede the match to B if he feels bad about his mistake as B has been beaten

I'm heading to Cooden and haven't time to quote the specific rulings for both of the above - but they exist!

 

[rulefan]

[h=2]6-2a/5[/h] [h=4]Wrong Handicap Used in Match by Mistake; Error Discovered After Result Officially Announced[/h]Q.In a handicap match between A and B, A stated by mistake before the match began that his handicap was ten strokes, whereas in fact his handicap was nine strokes. The match was played on the basis that A's handicap was ten strokes. A won the match. The error was discovered after the result had been officially announced. What is the ruling?

A.The match stands as played. No claim by B could be considered unless A had known he was giving wrong information about his handicap - see Rules 2-5, 6-2a and 34-1a.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Cheers guys - much appreciated

 

[Imurg]

Player A is disqualified under Rule 6.2

"Rule 6.2
a. Match Play
Before starting a match in a handicap competition, the players should determine from one another their respective handicaps. If a player begins a match having declared a handicap higher than that to which he is entitled and this affects the number of strokes given or received, he is disqualified; otherwise, the player must play off the declared handicap."

[h=2]6-2a/5[/h] [h=4]Wrong Handicap Used in Match by Mistake; Error Discovered After Result Officially Announced[/h]Q.In a handicap match between A and B, A stated by mistake before the match began that his handicap was ten strokes, whereas in fact his handicap was nine strokes. The match was played on the basis that A's handicap was ten strokes. A won the match. The error was discovered after the result had been officially announced. What is the ruling?

A.The match stands as played. No claim by B could be considered unless A had known he was giving wrong information about his handicap - see Rules 2-5, 6-2a and 34-1a.

So one directly countermands the other....
Surely that creates a "Cheats Charter".... All you have to do is " make a mistake" about your handicap and if its not discovered before the result is posted then you've got away with it....!!

Sometimes the Rules are just too bizarre.
You can, "by mistake" play a wrong ball and get penalised but "by mistake" play off a higher handicap than you should and you don't.....

Another reason I hate Matchplay.......

 

[duncan mackie]

So one directly countermands the other....
Surely that creates a "Cheats Charter".... All you have to do is " make a mistake" about your handicap and if its not discovered before the result is posted then you've got away with it....!!

Sometimes the Rules are just too bizarre.
You can, "by mistake" play a wrong ball and get penalised but "by mistake" play off a higher handicap than you should and you don't.....

Another reason I hate Matchplay.......

It's not that complicated, or bizarre.

Work backwards - you have a fundamental principle that once competitions are closed (results published etc) any issue can only be re - opened if he player knew he had breached a rule before it was closed. You have to draw a line sometime!

If it was established that the player had played off the wrong handicap for any reason before the match result is posted (which closes the round) then 6-2 would apply.

 

[Imurg]

Out of interest, what would define "posting the result" in this instance..?
Simply writing the result on the sheet on the notice board..?

 

[pogle]

Out of interest, what would define "posting the result" in this instance..?
Simply writing the result on the sheet on the notice board..?

Decision 2-5/14 states "It is a matter for the Committee to decide when the result of the match has been “officially announced” and it will vary depending on the nature of the competition. When an official scoreboard exists, Rule 2-5 should be interpreted so that the recording of the winner of the match on the official scoreboard is the official announcement of the result of the match. In such cases where a referee has been assigned by the Committee to accompany a match, any announcement of the result of the match by the referee on the final putting green is not the official announcement. However, there may be cases where an official scoreboard is not used, in which case the Committee must clarify when it considers the results “officially announced”.
In some cases the official scoreboard will be a prominent structure and in other cases it might be a sheet of paper in the golf shop or locker room. The Committee is generally responsible for recording the winner's name on the scoreboard, but there may be times when the Committee charges the players with this responsibility."

So it's up to your Committee to define what posting the result means.

 

[Imurg]

So I could play well in a qualifier, play a knockout Matchplay next day before the results are up, conveniently "forget" that I should cut myself a shot, win the match, run in and write the score on the sheet before anyone has a chance to check anything.....and if it comes to light I can claim that I mistakenly played off the wrong handicap but as the result is on the board nothing can be done.....
Just so I know........

 

[Backache]

So I could play well in a qualifier, play a knockout Matchplay next day before the results are up, conveniently "forget" that I should cut myself a shot, win the match, run in and write the score on the sheet before anyone has a chance to check anything.....and if it comes to light I can claim that I mistakenly played off the wrong handicap but as the result is on the board nothing can be done.....
Just so I know........

If you wish to cheat in golf there are much easier ways ànd more certain ways to do it, just give yourself a better lie in the rough when no one is looking.
Virtually every rule in golf relies on honesty from the individual golfer.