Matchplay and medal

[jamielaing]

I have my handicap matchplay tie on Sunday, same day as the medal. The guy I am playing is the same handicap as me and has done well in matchplay comps before.

It is also the medal on the same day and he wants to enter the medal and play both simultaneously.

Is this something you would do? Is the difference between stroke play and match play different enough that you wouldn't play both at once? Would you be too busy trying to beat the person hole in hole to score well or vice versa?

 

[bladeplayer]

I have my handicap matchplay tie on Sunday, same day as the medal. The guy I am playing is the same handicap as me and has done well in matchplay comps before.

It is also the medal on the same day and he wants to enter the medal and play both simultaneously.

Is this something you would do? Is the difference between stroke play and match play different enough that you wouldn't play both at once? Would you be too busy trying to beat the person hole in hole to score well or vice versa?

Fairly sure it is not allowed , will try remember the official answer in a bit n let ya know if some1 doesntn beat me to it



33/1

The Committee must establish the conditions under which a competition is to be played. The Committee has no power to waive a Rule of Golf.
Certain specific Rules governing stroke play are so substantially different from those governing match play that combining the two forms of play is not practicable and is not permitted.


33-1/6 Players in Match Compete Concurrently in Stroke Play Competition

Q In ignorance of the Rules, A and B played a match and concurrently competed in a stroke play competition. What should the Committee do?

A Under Rule 33-1, the result of the match is null and void, and A and B are disqualified in the stroke-play competition.If the match was to be played on any day in a prescribed period, A and B must replay the match within the prescribed period. If it was too late for A and B to replay the match within the period, A and B are disqualified from the match play competition, unless one concedes the match to the other.

 

[guest100718]

I don't know the official rule number, but I do not its not allowed.

 

[jamielaing]

Fairly sure it cannot be done , will try remember the official answer in a bit

You can play matchplay after playing the course but not strokeplay. In theory I believe you can submit your strokeplay score and match play directly after. Either way it is common practice at my course and the pro has confirmed that it is allowed.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

You can play matchplay after playing the course but not strokeplay. In theory I believe you can submit your strokeplay score and match play directly after. Either way it is common practice at my course and the pro has confirmed that it is allowed.

You 100% cannot play both rounds at the same time. There is a difference in the rules in a number of situations, which is the logic behind that ruling.

You have a couple of options (there may be a couple more):

You can play 36 holes. The first 18 under stroke play rules, the second under matchplay.

OR

You can play 18 holes in the stroke play tournament. You agree (beforehand) that the lowest score of the two of you goes through to the next round, without playing a matchplay round.

 

[louise_a]

There are rules differences between the two, so its not allowed.

Jamie is correct, you could play in the medal and then go out afterward and play your match, not the other way round though.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You can play matchplay after playing the course but not strokeplay. In theory I believe you can submit your strokeplay score and match play directly after. Either way it is common practice at my course and the pro has confirmed that it is allowed.

Do you mean common practise to play both at the same time ?

 

[bladeplayer]

You can play matchplay after playing the course but not strokeplay. In theory I believe you can submit your strokeplay score and match play directly after. Either way it is common practice at my course and the pro has confirmed that it is allowed.

I have edited my post to cover the rule

YES

You pro, or no one else has no right to waive a rule of golf see highlighted bit in red in my other post

 

[Ethan]

You can certainly play in a medal then go right out and have a match but you cannot do the opposite, regardless of what the pro says.

 

[Curls]

Remember to adjust your handicap after the Medal round, if you're not sure what you got cut err on the side of caution, you can declare a lower handicap for yourself than the one you have and play the match no problem but if you use a handicap higher than it should be, you lose!

 

[Fyldewhite]

Rules are as stated many times above.....but then there's the real world. I've seen matches decided by playing at same time as a medal, by playing in different groups and comparing the cards afterwards, by tossing a coin, by agreeing lowest medal score wins etc.

All serve the purpose of getting a name in the box on the sheet for the next round. None are ideal but so long as medal rules are applied (ie in OP situation) then world will carry on turning. Not right but it happens and IMO is probably better than both players withdrawing or the dreaded coin toss etc.

 

[robert.redmile]

as long as both parties agree to no gimmes, and to always play the hole out, what's the problem?

 

[Spuddy]

as long as both parties agree to no gimmes, and to always play the hole out, what's the problem?

Many rules have different punishments for breaches that differ for either format.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

as long as both parties agree to no gimmes, and to always play the hole out, what's the problem?

Are you talking by the rules?

Some of the issues are how you deal with any penalties, or how you proceed if there is a disagreement on the rules (playing with one or two balls etc). I will let a proper rules guru expand, but they are quite different. Not only to add that surely you would play it a completely different way, it seems silly to me! The two options are per my previous post.

 

[pbrown7582]

as long as both parties agree to no gimmes, and to always play the hole out, what's the problem?

its against the rules.

But as fydlewhite says if both players are in agreement and no other option is available a solution can be hashed .

 

[robert.redmile]

I know its against the rules, but that doesn't make it right.

just seems another silly set of rules that act as a barrier to entry for newcomers and make golf seem overly complex to the outsider.

We get lots of threads on here asking how do we make golf more popular, and making the rules easier to understand has to be high on the list in my opinion. (along with a complete change in culture from many of the people who see themselves as some sort of god because they are part of the golf club committee, but that's another story!!)

 

[Deleted member 1147]

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just seems another silly set of rules that act as a barrier to entry for newcomers and make golf seem overly complex to the outsider.
...

Is it really a situation most newcomers to the game are going to encounter?
I don't see how this could affect people to the extent that they don't want to play the game. In fact they have most probably been playing for a while before this kind of situation occurs!

 

[chellie]

I know its against the rules, but that doesn't make it right.

just seems another silly set of rules that act as a barrier to entry for newcomers and make golf seem overly complex to the outsider.

We get lots of threads on here asking how do we make golf more popular, and making the rules easier to understand has to be high on the list in my opinion. (along with a complete change in culture from many of the people who see themselves as some sort of god because they are part of the golf club committee, but that's another story!!)

They're different formats though so how can the rules on this be silly.

 

[Foxholer]

You can play matchplay after playing the course but not strokeplay. In theory I believe you can submit your strokeplay score and match play directly after. Either way it is common practice at my course and the pro has confirmed that it is allowed.

Demonstrating once again how wrong Club Pros can be about the Rules - and how helpful they can try to be to Club members!

You can play your Strokeplay comp, then follow it with your Match. But not the other way around, nor can the Strokeplay round also be used for the Matchplay round.

However! There are certain comps that are traditionally difficult to arrange. And some clubs allow for this in their conditions of competition - being only interested in the 'result', which could even be decided by the toss of a coin! In this case, comparison of scores in a particular strokeplay event might be a way to decide a particular 'match', but that is not 'match-play' as defined in the Rules!

 

[bladeplayer]

I know its against the rules, but that doesn't make it right.

just seems another silly set of rules that act as a barrier to entry for newcomers and make golf seem overly complex to the outsider.

We get lots of threads on here asking how do we make golf more popular, and making the rules easier to understand has to be high on the list in my opinion. (along with a complete change in culture from many of the people who see themselves as some sort of god because they are part of the golf club committee, but that's another story!!)

I can understand where you are coming from and me personally i couldn't care less how 2 players decide a 1v1 match between them , toss a coin draw straws . flys racing up a wall .. because it has no bearing on any1 else ..

EXCEPT

in match play you are normally given a few weeks to arrange it but most leave it too late so laziness or unwillingness on behalf of the players caused the problem .. so if every 1 else can be bothered to get it done why shouldnt the players involved ,

EQUITY and CoC are there for a big reason