Matchplay and medal

[Hendo007]

Here, its the cup final next sat and were due to play in the league aswell, will we just play the one game and use the result for both ?

Of course not.....

If you don't like the rules don't play the game......

its that simple.

Move on.

 

[palindromicbob]

You can play 18 holes in the stroke play tournament. You agree (beforehand) that the lowest score of the two of you goes through to the next round, without playing a matchplay round.

Genius.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Genius.

I'm only used to hearing that sarcastically.

I hope this wasn't saracastically.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

[SUB]soe[/SUB].....if no rules ever changed, nothing would ever change.

just because "it's the rules" doesn't make it right. Think of some of the previous "rules" in some countries during the war, or in Middle eastern countries now. Should we just say " it's the rules?!!"

Totally irrelevant to sport

ps Liverpool Phil - yes, on many occasions. Once we played a league match, and agreed to use the result to count as the result in the cup competition we were drawn in against the same team.

Various league allow you to play double headers - but then you are playing the exact same game - in this situation you are suggesting rules ignored for playing two different formats together

we also once decided that due to one team turning up late due to the coach breaking down to play 30 mins each way to ensure the Match could be completed in daylight.

Played KO and the guy has been late and just waited for him

We've also played 14 vs 14 due to a car crash affected one group of players, no ref in one game, and with shirts turned inside out to avoid a colour clash.

all agreed beforehand, all breaking the rules, and all because we all wanted to play for the love of the game.

as I said, if all parties agree, and it's played under stroke play rules, there is no possible reason to deny - other than, of course, "it's against the rules"

The possible reason is its two seperate formats of golf played under different rules.

You can't play match under rules of stroke play - it's as simple as that - it's a clear simple basic rule of golf. It's not complex or strange or one that is hard to understand - it's clear as day. What is so wrong and so hard about following the basic rules. They are there to protect the integrity of the sport which is self referred - how many other rules would you like to ignore "because of the love of the game"

 

[USER1999]

How many of us play in four balls at the weekend, chuck up the balls for a match play between us, and yet keep a stableford card for the swindle?

Most, I'd guess.

Ok, it's not in a competition, but we all do it pretty much every week.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How many of us play in four balls at the weekend, chuck up the balls for a match play between us, and yet keep a stableford card for the swindle?

Most, I'd guess.

Ok, it's not in a competition, but we all do it pretty much every week.

That's the crucial bit

And we all know that ginmies and not putting out are regular with HC and comps not on the line

 

[patricks148]

my former club used to run a stroke play knock out where you played against someone else in stroke play and the best score after 18 won, guys used to play in the mid week comp and this on occasion.

 

[robert.redmile]

I find the dogmatic views hard to understand - we are allowed to hold different opinions aren't we? or do we all have to question nothing and go along with everything just because "its the rules"

All this "its the rules, if you don't like it, don't play the game" malarkey seems a bit childish to me, and a poor way to build a reasonable debate.

LOf course I'm not going to pack in playing golf just because I disagree with a rule - that's just a pathetic way to have an adult discussion, and the sort of response I'd expect from a teenager.

All I've said, and continue to say is that if all players agree, and that provided strokeplay rules are applied there is no reason, in amateur club competitions, to allow the score in the medal competition to count as the score in the matchplay completion

no advantage is given to anybody by this, its no big deal, and not worth getting hot under the collar over - its just a viewpoint.

Have a look on the web at "the 9 most notable rule changes in golf" - if we'd have simply sat back and allowed these to continue, "because it's in the rules" they would never have changed!! (should the people who advocated these changes simply have stopped playing the game, because they didn't like them?"

Of course not - debate is what makes things better.

 

[MadAdey]

I would never play golf like this, your approach to the game and shot decision is so different. In match play I will definatly take on shots I wouldn't in stroke play.

Saying this is a stupid rule and could put people off taking up the game is ridiculous, I've never been in this situation in over 20 years of playing.

 

[Cheifi0]

I agree that you can question rules but in this situation it sets a precedent that playing the both together could become the norm. If I enter a matchplay competition, I want to play matchplay. If you can't find time to play 18 holes in the allotted time period it's very poor, after all it's only 2 or 4 folk and not 25-30 as in football.

 

[Canary_Yellow]

I find the dogmatic views hard to understand - we are allowed to hold different opinions aren't we? or do we all have to question nothing and go along with everything just because "its the rules"

All this "its the rules, if you don't like it, don't play the game" malarkey seems a bit childish to me, and a poor way to build a reasonable debate.

LOf course I'm not going to pack in playing golf just because I disagree with a rule - that's just a pathetic way to have an adult discussion, and the sort of response I'd expect from a teenager.

All I've said, and continue to say is that if all players agree, and that provided strokeplay rules are applied there is no reason, in amateur club competitions, to allow the score in the medal competition to count as the score in the matchplay completion

no advantage is given to anybody by this, its no big deal, and not worth getting hot under the collar over - its just a viewpoint.

Have a look on the web at "the 9 most notable rule changes in golf" - if we'd have simply sat back and allowed these to continue, "because it's in the rules" they would never have changed!! (should the people who advocated these changes simply have stopped playing the game, because they didn't like them?"

Of course not - debate is what makes things better.

Don't waste your time.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I find the dogmatic views hard to understand - we are allowed to hold different opinions aren't we? or do we all have to question nothing and go along with everything just because "its the rules"

All this "its the rules, if you don't like it, don't play the game" malarkey seems a bit childish to me, and a poor way to build a reasonable debate.

LOf course I'm not going to pack in playing golf just because I disagree with a rule - that's just a pathetic way to have an adult discussion, and the sort of response I'd expect from a teenager.

All I've said, and continue to say is that if all players agree, and that provided strokeplay rules are applied there is no reason, in amateur club competitions, to allow the score in the medal competition to count as the score in the matchplay completion

no advantage is given to anybody by this, its no big deal, and not worth getting hot under the collar over - its just a viewpoint.

Have a look on the web at "the 9 most notable rule changes in golf" - if we'd have simply sat back and allowed these to continue, "because it's in the rules" they would never have changed!! (should the people who advocated these changes simply have stopped playing the game, because they didn't like them?"

Of course not - debate is what makes things better.

There is a reason - you are playing in a comp that many other club members are playing in who are observing the rules of golf and the rules of the competition

You as a golfer need to uphold the integrity of both and ensure all comps are played within both the rules of golf and the comp to ensure that the competition is fair for all and not just two people who agree to waiver a few rules

Both competitions are more than just you and the other person. It's not up to you two to decide

Recently two people on a society day at an away course decided to play their club KO on that day - both DQ

Also when do you draw the line ? Which rules will you allow to "waiver" because two of you decide

 

[robert.redmile]

Fair point regarding the impact on the others in the competition, I accept that makes this more difficult to justify, so I guess it makes sense to wherever possible adhere to the separate formats -

Under extenuating circumstances, I think its preferable however to allow the simultaneous scoring idea to count rather than a simple toss coin - after all it's still golf, and better than trusting to luck!

I do however see the issues it would create, and accept that it could easily be the "thin end of the wedge"

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Fair point regarding the impact on the others in the competition, I accept that makes this more difficult to justify, so I guess it makes sense to wherever possible adhere to the separate formats -

Under extenuating circumstances, I think its preferable however to allow the simultaneous scoring idea to count rather than a simple toss coin - after all it's still golf, and better than trusting to luck!

I do however see the issues it would create, and accept that it could easily be the "thin end of the wedge"

One of the best things about golf is the trust we have with each other to self govern the game whilst playing

Agreeing to waive rules that go against both golf and the spirit of the game is the start of the downward spiral of the game

If the game can't be played then a toss of the coin will do the job

 

[jamielaing]

One of the best things about golf is the trust we have with each other to self govern the game whilst playing

Agreeing to waive rules that go against both golf and the spirit of the game is the start of the downward spiral of the game

If the game can't be played then a toss of the coin will do the job

Since starting this thread I have read opinions with interest and see valid points on both sides of the argument. What I don't understand is how agreeing to play each other in a strokeplay format is not in the spirit of the game but a coin toss is. Surely the spirit of the game is only served by playing the game.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Since starting this thread I have read opinions with interest and see valid points on both sides of the argument. What I don't understand is how agreeing to play each other in a strokeplay format is not in the spirit of the game but a coin toss is. Surely the spirit of the game is only served by playing the game.

It's not in the spirit if it's against the rules - quite simple.

 

[Spuddy]

Since starting this thread I have read opinions with interest and see valid points on both sides of the argument. What I don't understand is how agreeing to play each other in a strokeplay format is not in the spirit of the game but a coin toss is. Surely the spirit of the game is only served by playing the game.

Is it impossible to play the matchplay on a separate day? If so then I don't see the problem in using the best stroke play score as a decider which has to be better than tossing a coin. That of course is completely different from playing matchplay during a strokeplay competition for all of the reasons previously listed.

 

[bladeplayer]

One of the best things about golf is the trust we have with each other to self govern the game whilst playing

Agreeing to waive rules that go against both golf and the spirit of the game is the start of the downward spiral of the game

If the game can't be played then a toss of the coin will do the job

Good luck with that one Phil , game is full of cheats & rogues :thup:

 

[bladeplayer]

Is it impossible to play the matchplay on a separate day? If so then I don't see the problem in using the best stroke play score as a decider which has to be better than tossing a coin. That of course is completely different from playing matchplay during a strokeplay competition for all of the reasons previously listed.

Bingo

 

[Foxholer]

Good luck with that one Phil , game is full of cheats & rogues :thup:

Perhaps (sadly) more-so in your neck of the woods than elsewhere in the golfing world!