Match Play Help URGENT !!!!

Crazyface said:
Sigh...agreed, and don't I know it. I've got rules ready to deal with all this, but haven't been allowed to implement them. THey are posted of with a note saying "subject too ratification". If they'd been ratified in March this year I'd have no option, but they weren't so I have, and will stand by it. I will explain to anyone who asks why .BECAUSE WE HAVE NO RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks everyone. Beer time...well cider actually....and chocolate lots and lots of both.
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Enjoy the cider. Well deserved. Think about your longer term enjoyment as a member of the club. Not sure the two are compatible at the moment and give someone else the grief to deal with
 
I don't agree with your decision to allow an extension but can appreciate that you did so with the best of intentions. I do agree with your decision to stand by your ruling as it shows authority in the absence of any coming from your management committee.

I do hope you don't resign, you undoubtedly have the best interests of your golf club at heart and you seem to be the only person keeping a check that things are done properly.
 
DCB said:
Given the amount of crap you're having to deal with on a regular basis, I'd be resigning from the position and let the Management Committee deal with it. Sounds like the club from he'll.
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Also I would add to the committee, back me or sack me. Either way a painful lesson has been learned. Next time no extensions. When I ran an individual comp at the pit the same person asked every round for a weeks extension, fortunately he got beat in the semis.
 
As isoften the case I have a completely different take on this to many of the views put forward!

In no particular order, and based on decades of playing in and managing (at more than one club) my conclusions are as follows

1. Absolute rules are a complete cop out and rarely provide an appropriate solution; principles, guidelines and a decision maker are the solution.
2. Extensions are only valid when a date and time for the fixture is provided - and the decision maker can assess any likely impact on the next fixture when deciding whether to grant it (as well as factoring it in to any subsequent decision if it comes to that!)

My reasons for the above include the following, and if people feel I'm giving extreme unrealistic examples remember that I'm only establishing principles with them.

Something unexpected occurs on the last day of the deadline, on which the match was to be played - course closed. Under a fixed rule no exception policy you would have to implement it's provisions.
One pair offers 26 dates out of a possible 47 days, with 21 of the remaining days having club matches in the diary. Eventually, after numerous chasing, the other pair come back with late in the day on almost the last date on a day the first pair are already playing a representative league match for the club. Would you DQ both pairs if the first pair (with a combined age of over 130) declined to play twice that day?
(Real situation posted on here) Winter, one fixture gets played then course closed until deadline - do you have a competition winner or a committee nightmare?

Fact, some people will abuse fixed rules to their advantage. I've known people deliberately elect a coin toss rather than take on an in form pairing.
Fact, some people enter these events and don't really care; why should others who do get caught up in their lack of action (yes they could conced, but if they can play one date they tend to dig in against fixed rules).

Just another opinion, but I feel passionately that people who commit their time and efforts to support these club events deserve to know that someone will at least consider any situation that arises, if necessary.
 
Crazyface said:
Again.....LPP, we have no rules!!!!!! I've been trying to put them in place but got knocked back and they are STILL awaiting "ratification by the Management Committee"
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Your the competitions secretary aren't you?

The MC expect you to mange the comps don't they?

If they are preventing you from putting effective policies/procedures in place and in essence are hamstringing you from doing a decent job then walk away. You cannot run competitions if you don't have guidelines (CoC's) that govern how the comps run....the CoC's are not just for your benefit....they're not for the Management Committees benefit....they are for the benefit of the players, the club members, that you are trying to organise comps for.

Tell the MC that by not ratifying the CoC's you've put forward they are doing a disservice to the club members. Give them 2 weeks to ratify the CoC's. If they don't do it just walk away. TBH its quite simple....they might not want you in the role, they might want you to walk away. If that's the case why would you want to keep "working for them"....its really not worth the bother and most of your posts emit a deep frustration at the difficulties you are trying to overcome on a seemingly weekly basis.

Tell them to shove it and get back to enjoying your own golf.
 
We normally don't allow extensions, a couple of years ago I was through to the final of our singles knockout and one of the other semi finalists was ill and asked for a short extension knowing that the chances were that they wouldn't get one. The competition secretary asked me if I had a problem and I said no let them play late. The one who asked for the extension then won and then beat me in the final.

I would allow it again in the future over something like health but not because they simply couldn't agree a date.
 
From CFs posts on this and other forums over a number of years I have gleaned the following..

1) He a bloody decent bloke, who loves his golf and is happy to get involved in stuff.
2) His Club is really bad for his stress levels and general health! :D
3) He needs to move to another club that is run better so he can just turn up and play! :)
 
IanM said:
From CFs posts on this and other forums over a number of years I have gleaned the following..

1) He a bloody decent bloke, who loves his golf and is happy to get involved in stuff.
2) His Club is really bad for his stress levels and general health! :D
3) He needs to move to another club that is run better so he can just turn up and play! :)
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Thank you Ian. I only wish that some our my fellow club members realized that.

See next post. :rolleyes:
 
Here we go.

Last night I got a text from our Pro saying that a "few years ago" it was passed at a management committee meeting that "no extensions would be given". 17.53pm

I replied that it is not written down as rules so the decision stands.

Then I got a call from our Mr President at 9pm, I kid you not, A very nice man who very forcibly told me that it was a rule as it was passed at management committee and minuted. So I asked for him to get the paperwork which referred to this minuted "rule" over to me, so that I could apply it without losing face and I could say look lads I did not know about this sorry there's nowt I can do you're out.
I then rang one of the pairing about this. (He's ON the management committee LOL). I explained what had gone on and did he know about this. Did he? Did he nuts! (He actually saved the club from going under three years ago). After a nice little chat I explained that I am ready to chuck this all in and didn't want the job in the first place, he said that he didn't get the support from the members he deserved and they just do not appreciate the effort that he personally has put in and was ready to walk too!!!!!!! Good grief, I didn't realize how unappreciated he felt, but know exactly how he feels.
I said for him to play this match today (this was what they had arranged) and I'll stick by my decision to allow the extension and live or die by the consequences as I don't get anything for doing this and don't care anymore.
 
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If the place is run by a bunch of pillocks, which it look like it is, I figure you're best out of it as they're going to hang you out to dry anyway!
 
I used to be in a society and they had a rule that if you had an extension then if the following round couldn't be played on time the person/pair that had been granted the extension in the previous round automatically forfeited the next match.

Seemed to work quite well although personally I favour the no extension rule. If you enter these things then you should make yourself available to play.
 
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