Malky Mackay

[Deleted member 15344]

Your an ex military man Phil, are you telling you never in your military career you never heard anything close to the bone and if so did you challenge it?

Yes I have heard stuff close - in fact way over the line from one person and was a witness as a court Marshall for stuff where it went beyond banter

Military people that have come across have a lot of banter but they know where the line is.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Don't know if it is the intention but the statement issued by the LMA on behalf of Malky Mackay seems to imply that he denies being sexist or homophobic but admits that some of his remarks may have been racist.

Oh well, that's OK then!!!!!!!!

Incredible!

 

[ger147]

On his employer's computer using his works email address and on his employer's supplied mobile phone?

Bright as a blackout.

 

[Val]

Yes I have heard stuff close - in fact way over the line from one person and was a witness as a court Marshall for stuff where it went beyond banter

Military people that have come across have a lot of banter but they know where the line is.

No they don't, they cross it and keep crossing it.

I've heard enough in the limited time I had to make your toes curl.

Ask anyone who was in 4RTR during the mid/late 80's what they all called and to his face their first black soldier

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No they don't, they cross it and keep crossing it.

I've heard enough in the limited time I had to make your ties curl.

As i said - the ones I have worked with appear it know exactly where the line is

There has been the exceptions but they certainly have had to leave with the consequences.

Heard worse in a golf club in the past month.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

If the allegations are proven, he's toast and rightly so.

 

[Val]

As i said - the ones I have worked with appear it know exactly where the line is

There has been the exceptions but they certainly have had to leave with the consequences.

Heard worse in a golf club in the past month.

If those who did the crime left then the military would be a quiet place, remind of that affectionate term you use for us Scottish people that although having it highlighted to you you still feel is fine to use, casual racism at it worst.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Disgusting indeed

I'm out.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If those who did the crime left then the military would be a quiet place, remind of that affectionate term you use for us Scottish people that although having it highlighted to you you still feel is fine to use, casual racism at it worst.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Disgusting indeed

I'm out.

Edit. - out as well

 

[Birchy]

Not the sharpest tool in the box is he? If your going to be an abusive/bigot/**** whatever which way your chosen method is to describe him you wouldn't do it on a works phone would you?

Complete idiot in just about every way.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Scots don't think they are racist and comments that they make that might be considered as racist elsewhere in UK should be taken as banter or just a friendly way of referring to the non-indigenous population

A huge generalisation but not too far from the truth I suspect.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

On his employer's computer using his works email address and on his employer's supplied mobile phone?

Bright as a blackout.

Spot on..........as I said earlier silly little boys trying hard to be 'lads'.

 

[bladeplayer]

I guess i dont understand racism at all ,

not so much now but growing up (forgive the pun) we cracked jokes about racism , sexism and any other kinda ism you want to name , but it was mates cracking jokes amongst each other , we didnt bash gay people as the jokes may have suggested , we didnt abuse or do things to women as some of the banter among ourselves may have suggested , & some of it was crude ..

in fact i have friends that are black , gay , and many different nationalities , i tell them to go home , one mate from brazil i call him the lost tourist he is here that long , they tell me to eat potatoes and use begorra & begosh and we laught it off ,

Now id imagine MM and this other boy had these kinda conversations privately between them im sorry thats not racisim or sexism thats just lads being lads

NOW

If they didnt employ or give an equal chance to anyone on the grounds mentioned above thats when IMO it becomes racism ..


i dont know too many of the lads on here but ill guess over the years we have said things between our friends and family that were so inpolitically correct we coulda been locked up, but as it never went beyond lads being lads IMO its not racism

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I guess i dont understand racism at all ,

not so much now but growing up (forgive the pun) we cracked jokes about racism , sexism and any other kinda ism you want to name , but it was mates cracking jokes amongst each other , we didnt bash gay people as the jokes may have suggested , we didnt abuse or do things to women as some of the banter among ourselves may have suggested , & some of it was crude ..

in fact i have friends that are black , gay , and many different nationalities , i tell them to go home , one mate from brazil i call him the lost tourist he is here that long , they tell me to eat potatoes and use begorra & begosh and we laught it off ,

Now id imagine MM and this other boy had these kinda conversations privately between them im sorry thats not racisim or sexism thats just lads being lads

NOW

If they didnt employ or give an equal chance to anyone on the grounds mentioned above thats when IMO it becomes racism ..


i dont know too many of the lads on here but ill guess over the years we have said things between our friends and family that were so inpolitically correct we coulda been locked up, but as it never went beyond lads being lads IMO its not racism

Watch out else you'll have 1984's Thought Police after you...

Come to think of it (oops) did not I read yesterday that the Met Police have declared that the very act of watching the video of the beheading of the American journalist could be a criminal offence.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I guess i dont understand racism at all ,

not so much now but growing up (forgive the pun) we cracked jokes about racism , sexism and any other kinda ism you want to name , but it was mates cracking jokes amongst each other , we didnt bash gay people as the jokes may have suggested , we didnt abuse or do things to women as some of the banter among ourselves may have suggested , & some of it was crude ..

in fact i have friends that are black , gay , and many different nationalities , i tell them to go home , one mate from brazil i call him the lost tourist he is here that long , they tell me to eat potatoes and use begorra & begosh and we laught it off ,

Now id imagine MM and this other boy had these kinda conversations privately between them im sorry thats not racisim or sexism thats just lads being lads

NOW

If they didnt employ or give an equal chance to anyone on the grounds mentioned above thats when IMO it becomes racism ..


i dont know too many of the lads on here but ill guess over the years we have said things between our friends and family that were so inpolitically correct we coulda been locked up, but as it never went beyond lads being lads IMO its not racism

Totally agree. I think a lot of the time it's others that like to be offended on others behalf. Makes them feel more righteous.
Some people must really live a very sheltered life.

 

[Foxholer]

Totally agree. I think a lot of the time it's others that like to be offended on others behalf. Makes them feel more righteous.
Some people must really live a very sheltered life.

+1

I think there's probably actually only 1 of those statements that would really stand up as being offensive to the general group - though the specific individual might well be offended by the remark.

If it was on that basis alone that an sacked MacKay, it seems somewhat hard done by imo. But I suspect there was more to it than just that.

 

[chris661]

I guess i dont understand racism at all ,

not so much now but growing up (forgive the pun) we cracked jokes about racism , sexism and any other kinda ism you want to name , but it was mates cracking jokes amongst each other , we didnt bash gay people as the jokes may have suggested , we didnt abuse or do things to women as some of the banter among ourselves may have suggested , & some of it was crude ..

in fact i have friends that are black , gay , and many different nationalities , i tell them to go home , one mate from brazil i call him the lost tourist he is here that long , they tell me to eat potatoes and use begorra & begosh and we laught it off ,

Now id imagine MM and this other boy had these kinda conversations privately between them im sorry thats not racisim or sexism thats just lads being lads

NOW

If they didnt employ or give an equal chance to anyone on the grounds mentioned above thats when IMO it becomes racism ..


i dont know too many of the lads on here but ill guess over the years we have said things between our friends and family that were so inpolitically correct we coulda been locked up, but as it never went beyond lads being lads IMO its not racism

So its all right to crack racist/homophobic/xenophobic (whatever) kind of jokes as long as its between mates cos its not really discriminatory

As long as the lads can still be lads everything is OK then eh?

 

[Pin-seeker]

So its all right to crack racist/homophobic/xenophobic (whatever) kind of jokes as long as its between mates cos its not really discriminatory

As long as the lads can still be lads everything is OK then eh?

Pretty much yeah.
It goes on all the time.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I have a question

What is the difference between - race,region and nationality ?

Is there a difference ?

I spent 22 years in the military throughout those years the people from the various countries around our lovely island where all given common nicknames - ie - Scottish - Jock , Welsh - Taff and Irish - Paddy

In fact i think one regiment the Black Watch pride themselves on being "The Jocks"

Now I lived in utter bliss for 20 plus years as people got called those various names in the normal banter way and they were adopted by the people as their work names - there were some that preferred not to be called by those names so we didn't

But recently I have been told that - Jock is classed as racist ? So are the Scottish a race or a nationality ?

If someone said to a Scottish bloke - you are Jock "bleep" - is that racist or just offensive ?

If i got called a Scouse "bleep" could that be racist ? Or just offensive ?

Is there a clear difference between called an English "bleep" and a "white" bleep

Surely one is offensive and the other is racist (off course both are offensive )

I had a read recently about a guy who was charged and convicted of racially abusing Andy Murray - because he wrote on notices etc - Scottish and Jock nob ( no doubt harsher words were used ) - so has that cleared it for every nationality to be classed as a race ?

If that is the case does that then devalue the true racist behaviour were people are judged and insulted because of the colour of their skin etc ?

 

[rosecott]

I'll keep you company unless you object to an old Jock keeping a old Pom/ Sassenach company.

We might even get some Paddys or Taffies to join us . We seem to be the only 4 races with nicknames nowadays.

Oi! Less of the Pom/Sassenach jibes. I am an older Jock than you, albeit from the more genteel East side of Scotland.

 

[Val]

Do you need it explained again Phil or are you being deliberately ignorant?

Call a stranger Jock and I'd say you're being racist in the same way you may call a Chinese person chink.