SaintHacker
Journeyman Pro
Don't wear one myself, nor do I intend to, but the BMJ think there maybe something in it
http://www.bioflow.co.uk/pdfs/BMJ_Magnetic_Bracelets.pdf
http://www.bioflow.co.uk/pdfs/BMJ_Magnetic_Bracelets.pdf
Magnetic bands
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the hammer
Challenge Tour Pro
After 30 years in the building trade, i find this is best for the stiff back, shoulders, aches and pains etc.A tad more expensive granted, and HID needs to get a grip and finish the painting
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
What has then?
JPH
Q-School Graduate
View attachment 4527After 30 years in the building trade, i find this is best for the stiff back, shoulders, aches and pains etc.
A tad more expensive granted, and HID needs to get a grip and finish the painting
Looks very nice indeed
malek988
Challenge Tour Pro
View attachment 4527After 30 years in the building trade, i find this is best for the stiff back, shoulders, aches and pains etc.
A tad more expensive granted, and HID needs to get a grip and finish the painting
so true mate!!, i used the jaccuzi in the gyms heath suite after a work out, always walked out feeling like i hadnt actually done 3 hours cardio & Weights
Oxfordcomma
Challenge Tour Pro
This one always gets a debate going, doesn't it?
SH, I don't think the BMJ has any opinion, they just publish peer-reviewed papers. And this particular paper has the conclusion:
Pain from osteoarthritis of the hip and knee decreases when wearing magnetic bracelets. It is uncertain whether this response is due to specific or non-specific (placebo) effects.
The thing is though, this is the only paper. The only one that they can put up that offers any sort of support for these bands. And what Bioflow don't mention is that there are dozens that show no effect. These bands really are snake-oil. Unless anyone can point me to any sort of conclusive large scale double-blind study that is rather more recent than 2004? If they can, I'll willingly re-consider. Although I'd be willing to bet that if such a study existed, it would be plastered all over every single page of the Bioflow website.
Having said that, DarthVega, Liverbirdie, if one of these is working for you then I'm not going to criticise any individual or say stop using them! This is golf after all, it's hard enough anyway so anything that a golfer finds useful has probably got its place in the arsenal.
PS Now if anyone can get DirectGolf to start selling hot tubs for £17.82 instead of Bioflow bands, count me in!
SH, I don't think the BMJ has any opinion, they just publish peer-reviewed papers. And this particular paper has the conclusion:
Pain from osteoarthritis of the hip and knee decreases when wearing magnetic bracelets. It is uncertain whether this response is due to specific or non-specific (placebo) effects.
The thing is though, this is the only paper. The only one that they can put up that offers any sort of support for these bands. And what Bioflow don't mention is that there are dozens that show no effect. These bands really are snake-oil. Unless anyone can point me to any sort of conclusive large scale double-blind study that is rather more recent than 2004? If they can, I'll willingly re-consider. Although I'd be willing to bet that if such a study existed, it would be plastered all over every single page of the Bioflow website.
Having said that, DarthVega, Liverbirdie, if one of these is working for you then I'm not going to criticise any individual or say stop using them! This is golf after all, it's hard enough anyway so anything that a golfer finds useful has probably got its place in the arsenal.
PS Now if anyone can get DirectGolf to start selling hot tubs for £17.82 instead of Bioflow bands, count me in!
Ethan
Money List Winner
Well said. There is a popular misconception about the interpretation of clinical trials, which you can see at work most days in the Daily Mail. Conclusions on the effectiveness or otherwise or a product need to be based on a body of work, not just one study. Reproducibility, the ability to do something again, is a key component of scientific proof. Individual studies can also be subject to bias, intended or not, and statistical chance, the equivalent of tossing a coin and getting 5 heads in a row.
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
Chicks dig them and you can spot a fellow golfer way off. I love both of mine.
Ethan
Money List Winner
I bet they also really go for the mellow sounds on the 8 track in your Capri .....
Captainron
Big Hitting, South African Sweary Person
Let my proclamation go forth. 'Massage oil, scented candles and Barry White.'
bladeplayer
Money List Winner
What ever the case may be ..
Glove - No glove
Driver - No driver
Warm up - No warm up
Pro v - pinnacle
Muria - Dunlop
1 Wedge - 6 wedges
If it works for you FILL YOUR BOOTS & let the nay sayers take a long walk off a short pier ..
For the record i dont or never have worn one ..
Glove - No glove
Driver - No driver
Warm up - No warm up
Pro v - pinnacle
Muria - Dunlop
1 Wedge - 6 wedges
If it works for you FILL YOUR BOOTS & let the nay sayers take a long walk off a short pier ..
For the record i dont or never have worn one ..
StrangelyBrown
Tour Winner
I think they're snake oil, but if you think that it helps then more power to ya :thup:
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Praise be to the soothsayer, for he speaks with wise tongue and angelic patience.
As stated I have one. It was a gift from my wife. Now I'm 99.999% sure that it doesn't work, but there's still that tiny chance that we are all wrong. It's a bit like atheism really.
Matty
Tour Rookie
There is a single paper which may show that they work - referenced above as published in the BMJ. Thinks to note from this paper though:
1/ The conclusion says in plain English that the authors of the paper are unsure if this is a real effect from magnets, the power of placebo or a bit of both.
2/ This study found a difference between 'weak' and 'strong' magnets but not a large difference - one that requires more work.
3/ The study is from 2004 - nearly 10 years ago. So, if they are that good why is there not more recent work and wider health service availability?
The sceptic in me might wonder whether the makers of these bracelets are just happy to watch the money roll in on fairly flimsy evidence that appears not to have been duplicated. One might also consider they have actually done more work, it didn't show what they wanted (namely a beneficial effect) so they buried the data.
1/ The conclusion says in plain English that the authors of the paper are unsure if this is a real effect from magnets, the power of placebo or a bit of both.
2/ This study found a difference between 'weak' and 'strong' magnets but not a large difference - one that requires more work.
3/ The study is from 2004 - nearly 10 years ago. So, if they are that good why is there not more recent work and wider health service availability?
The sceptic in me might wonder whether the makers of these bracelets are just happy to watch the money roll in on fairly flimsy evidence that appears not to have been duplicated. One might also consider they have actually done more work, it didn't show what they wanted (namely a beneficial effect) so they buried the data.
Khamelion
Tour Winner
A load of tosh, snake oil, mumbo jumbo, a fool and his/her cash, nonsense, placebo, codswallop, more money than sense, hokum, crock of, twaddle, baloney, pish, hogwash and tripe.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
:thup:
SaintHacker
Journeyman Pro
So would it be fair to say you remain unconvinced?
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
These bands have been given to us by aliens, so that they leave us alone when they eventually invade. When they do, we will be free to play all the worlds great courses, whilst all you others are killed by death rays.
Augusta, here we come.
Augusta, here we come.
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
As is the marketing that you'll hit further and straighter with a new driver, you will get more spin with a ProV over a Z-Star, the latest putter will see you stop 3-putting, etc etc.
It seems the bracelet guys have chosen their target audience well.
virtuocity
Tour Winner
It's actually the length of your little toe's toenail. It's 0.0005% longer than it was when you had your pain.
Prove to me that I'm wrong.
