Low h'caps can't win anything??

[SammmeBee]

I think there is an argument fo both camps here...

- home course, good weather, not too penal rough, Stableford - I would back a handicapper to win.....

- away course, a bit breezy, stroke play, fast greens, long rough - the scratch golfer would win all day...

I think 18 handicap is actually considered the average golfer, so you're really looking at the choppers being 20+.....

 

[Canfordhacker]

Now I dont know for sure if these stats are correct nor do I know for sure if they are crap, but what I do know is what I see and experience suggests wins in favour of h/c 18 upwards winning more than single figure players and this has been born out in this poor example too,surprisingly!


Now unless I missed something reading through it all, i rest my case.

HNJ - didn't you make the same argument last time stats were posted - that you didn't believe somebody elses research but were perfectly happy to believe your own none empirical local research? Still not sure it stands as an objective rebuttal of the authorities on the topic, which is what CONGU are.

Yes and the question has been raised again so what is your point?

And No! its not based on local non imperical research and never was, its based on 30 yrs experience and membership at more than 8 clubs and probably STATISTICALLY accounts for a broader and more accurate QUESS which is exactly what a STATISTIC is, need I defend my opinion to the statistic religeon further, or will this also never satisfy you. amen!

I have the satisfaction of being right when statistics have been wrong on many occasions,I have been wrong also but never far out against the stats, do you have the same satisfaction with your favour of the statistic?

But all that aside, I have the right to an opinion, without thr repeticious critique I think?

HNJ - I'm not questioning your right to an opinion, far from it. And nowhere did I say I necessarily favour the statistic. I just find it interesting that you decry a method of justifying an opinion, then hold up one which appears to show no more justification than the fact that you think so. No worries.

 

[RGDave]

I sat here admiring my A4 certificate/voucher (£25) for winning a div 1 Stableford!!

It's unlikely I'll win the best nett ever between now and the grave.....but quite frankly I don't care.

I've read all sorts "this way and the other" about statistics but can only resort to what I see happening every week. The results are posted on the Flat-Screen in the clubhouse as they come in, until someone turns the computer off....

The best scores are always from the div 3 players, the next best from div 2 and the tightest competition is in the div 1 group.
If this is non-representative of the picture nationwide, then I can only assume we have a lot of less-good players getting better!!!

 

[Herbie]

I sat here admiring my A4 certificate/voucher (£25) for winning a div 1 Stableford!!

It's unlikely I'll win the best nett ever between now and the grave.....but quite frankly I don't care.

I've read all sorts "this way and the other" about statistics but can only resort to what I see happening every week. The results are posted on the Flat-Screen in the clubhouse as they come in, until someone turns the computer off....

The best scores are always from the div 3 players, the next best from div 2 and the tightest competition is in the div 1 group.
If this is non-representative of the picture nationwide, then I can only assume we have a lot of less-good players getting better!!!

Come on Carnford, this is a thread questioning whether a low h/c player has a tougher time winning than a high h/c player, its not about me and my opinion, opinions should be on the OP not my opinions.

As a final note on this subject, lower h/c players do have a harder time winning as it is simply harder to play to and maintain low h/c's and definitely harder to win off them simply because it takes a higher level of skill, concentration, consistancy and a simple single shot mistake can put a low h/capper beyond the winning post, but a high h/capper can play poorly on 3 or 4 holes and then still play a blinder for the rest and win. Its not just the h/c system that makes life a bit hard now and then its also the standard of golf of individuals, the lower you go the tougher it is, a factor I think is always overlooked.
Its only balanced out in divisions/catagory but never in all commers open play.

 

[RGDave]

As a final note on this subject, lower h/c players do have a harder time winning as it is simply harder to play to and maintain low h/c's and definitely harder to win off them simply because it takes a higher level of skill, concentration, consistancy and a simple single shot mistake can put a low h/capper beyond the winning post, but a high h/capper can play poorly on 3 or 4 holes and then still play a blinder for the rest and win. Its not just the h/c system that makes life a bit hard now and then its also the standard of golf of individuals, the lower you go the tougher it is, a factor I think is always overlooked.
Its only balanced out in divisions/catagory but never in all commers open play.

I agree with this.....If a player off 6 comes in with 38 points I'm the first to congratulate him.

I love to see the good players in action, and admire a high handicapper playing well for their ability.....Golf is different for all of us that play it. Nothing as good as seeing a beginner par 2 holes in a row or watching a single figure player pepper the flag with 7 irons from 160 yards. I just love to see folk enjoy their own game and get the buzz of doing something special......I've jumped in the air in celebration to witness a 20 h'cap par the last for 3 points and make 40 points.....even if I'm putting for a 5 and another 32 points or something!!!