Old Colner
Club Champion
No qualifying rounds at ours, the coarse is much shorter as Winter Rules also includes, winter tees, temporary greens and mats from the fairways, suspect this is why its allowed.
Lift, Clean And Place
- Thread starter Crazyface
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No qualifying rounds at ours, the coarse is much shorter as Winter Rules also includes, winter tees, temporary greens and mats from the fairways, suspect this is why its allowed.
rosecott
Money List Winner
Surely the model local rule specifies that the ball must be replaced on the original spot.
Foxholer
Blackballed
To me, golf is meant to be 'an enjoyable, if challenging, experience'. When Winter conditions mean that the challenge dominates the enjoyment, then something needs to change - and lc&p is, imo, a thoroughly reasonable way to improve the experience/enjoyment of a Winter round of golf. I certainly wouldn't want that to be the case all year round though, as, to me, the occasional dodgy lie/mudball is part of the 'challenge' of golf.
timd77
Assistant Pro
Within 6 inches, pretty sure that’s standard? Certainly has been at other courses I’ve played.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
That would be lift clean and replace not lift clean and place.
rosecott
Money List Winner
Perhaps it's me, but, I can only find Model LR E-2 which is concerned with lift, clean and replace. Where do I find the Model LR for lift, clean and place?
Golfnut1957
Newbie
Although our course has benefitted from the dry autumn we have gone on to mats early, so lift, clean and place isn't an issue.
In years gone by there was an option for dropping in the rough but this year if you are on the fairway then mats are mandatory. I don't mind this as I bought a quality one, the spin I get from my wedges is awesome. My mates all hate the mats but then again the cheapskates are all using the bits of cut off shag pile astro turf provided by the club.
As others have said, do what is necessary during the winter to make the game as enjoyable as possible and to protect the course. During the season play it as we already do, how far do you want to go to make the game easier?
In years gone by there was an option for dropping in the rough but this year if you are on the fairway then mats are mandatory. I don't mind this as I bought a quality one, the spin I get from my wedges is awesome. My mates all hate the mats but then again the cheapskates are all using the bits of cut off shag pile astro turf provided by the club.
As others have said, do what is necessary during the winter to make the game as enjoyable as possible and to protect the course. During the season play it as we already do, how far do you want to go to make the game easier?
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
next one down
Rule E-3 Preferred Lies
HeftyHacker
Well-known member
Agreed, I bought a spurk mat last year and i really enjoy playing with it. Its relatively low profile, decent "turf" and fixes in place so it doesn't move on impact. Plus, as you say, the spin you get from them has made approach shots great fun.
Compare that to watching people curse their way around whilst using a clumsy bit of astro turf or something that looks like an inverted yard brush and I think its the best 20 quid I've spent on winter golf!
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Well the golf equipment manufacturers are doing their best, and that it the selling point of their goods. I just thought that some sports make sure everything is as perfect as possible before shots are taken and this would be golfs way of doing things. I would be for it personally. I can also see the arguments against. Just thought it would make a good discussion. And I also now realise to would actually remove the divot arguments.
Golfnut1957
Newbie
It does
And if we really want to stir up a hornets nest we could debate whether the manufactures can actually go any further in making the game easier or are they just selling us pipe dreams.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
After using many varieties this is, without doubt, the Rolls Royce of mats. Still punished for 'heavy-hits' but don't have a major cleaning job of the club nor hunt for the divot remnants. It's amazing that you still get the comments of "That means you get a good lie all the time!"......... REPLY.... "Yeah, great isn't it & you're taking care of the course, why wouldn't you want to do that?"
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
I played today I think I moved the ball twice the entire round
Both times I was in a little cut from where they put the drainage in the fairway so just moved it 1 inch to the side and didn't even clean
I'll only really bother if it's covered in dirt or the ground is awful
rosecott
Money List Winner
I do know about Preferred Lies and, at our place, that is what it is called - sometimes Winter Rules but no-one calls it LCP (being sand-based we do not use E-2). To me, LCP is too close to LCR with a likelihood of players "mixing up" the two rules.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
I do not know of any course that has had lift clean and replace (E-2). I have known for many years it is an option but our committee has always thought it would be likely to be 'abused'. E-3 is the main option used by most courses as part of winter rules but E-2 can be used anywhere on the course when course conditions suggest it use but it must be limited to well defined areas is my understanding.
rulefan
Tour Winner
My course regularly floods to 6' depth most late winters. We use LC&R until the mud residue has cleared.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Seems from the replies I am in the minority in lifting. cleaning and placing every time I hit the fairway. In my (simple) mind, if you can get an advantage by having a clean ball and putting on the best lie within the limits (six inches) then why wouldn't you?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Literally because I can't be bothered. If there's no mud on the ball and the lie looks fine I'm happy to save myself ten seconds and just hit it. ?
louise_a
Money List Winner
We have gone onto mats at my place and I feel it makes the game a lot easier, especially when coupled with soft greens so that the ball tends not to bounce much, I scored 27 points in our 12 hole comp today.
That said I am more than happy to play the ball as it lies during the summer and don't see any need to adopt LC&P all year round
That said I am more than happy to play the ball as it lies during the summer and don't see any need to adopt LC&P all year round
Golfnut1957
Newbie
Aye, as I posted earlier we went to mats a couple of weeks ago. I don't mind as I have a Spurk which makes it feel just like summer golf.
The difference it makes to the course is well worth any inconvenience. We have a par 5 that is way more risk than reward so nearly nobody goes for it in two, instead, everybody lays up in the same area. Before mats were introduces spring would see this area looking as if it had been ravaged by excavators, post mats, it is now in relevantly excellent condition which of course means less work for mother nature recovering from winter.
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