Life means Life - again

[JCW]

Please don't tell me you're genuinely backing this method of crime deterrant?!?!?

So an unknown group of people, answering to one or two people, are able to go around killing people that they deem fit.

If you genuinely believe that this is what is needed, then I sincerely hope that this is just you an this isn't a widespread belief

They not unknown , most people think they are part of the police force , I not saying I back the idea , I just saying it works and almost everyone there prefer to be safe , only people who don't like it are those that break the law like drug dealers , robbers etc etc , we too soft over here , we have now deported captain hook back to the middle east but not before he used up millions of tax payers money to preach hate over here in public asking others to kill , we house the guy while he did it then gave him top lawyers and millions to pay for them , over there he would have got a few warnings and that's it , so where do you draw the line .

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They not unknown , most people think they are part of the police force , I not saying I back the idea , I just saying it works and almost everyone there prefer to be safe , only people who don't like it are those that break the law like drug dealers , robbers etc etc , we too soft over here , we have now deported captain hook back to the middle east but not before he used up millions of tax payers money to preach hate over here in public asking others to kill , we house the guy while he did it then gave him top lawyers and millions to pay for them , over there he would have got a few warnings and that's it , so where do you draw the line .

Of course it works - it's an area controlled by murder and terror who are also breaking the law

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

They not unknown , most people think they are part of the police force , I not saying I back the idea , I just saying it works and almost everyone there prefer to be safe , only people who don't like it are those that break the law like drug dealers , robbers etc etc , we too soft over here , we have now deported captain hook back to the middle east but not before he used up millions of tax payers money to preach hate over here in public asking others to kill , we house the guy while he did it then gave him top lawyers and millions to pay for them , over there he would have got a few warnings and that's it , so where do you draw the line .

Quote "nobody knows who this DDS is or want to find out "

I am much happier spending a bit more money (nothing in the grand scheme of things) to make sure we have the correct outcome, than letting some faceless group shoot whoever they like.

You have no idea whether people over there like it. I would imagine they would be scared to criticise it, for fear of the Death Squad visiting.

 

[JCW]

Yeah really safe - controlled by Marshall law and highly illegal. That's pretty much law by terror

You don't know what you are talking about , no marshall law over there , everyone is free to do what you want as long as you respect the law that's why lots of Americans , brits , Koreans , Japanese and others retire there because its a safe city , you showing your lack of knowledge about the place , you just having a dig as you did in the HW thread . please don't do that as you only showing yourself up , check your facts before you jump

 

[JCW]

Quote "nobody knows who this DDS is or want to find out "

I am much happier spending a bit more money (nothing in the grand scheme of things) to make sure we have the correct outcome, than letting some faceless group shoot whoever they like.

You have no idea whether people over there like it. I would imagine they would be scared to criticise it, for fear of the Death Squad visiting.

I have been over , lived there so I do know what I am talking about , I played golf with locals over there , and if you play golf over there you got money and I chatted about it to these people and they not bothered about it ........no cime means their business are not likely to get robbed , if you read what I wrote you will see they don't just shoot you , you given warnings , more then one and also given the chance to move out of the area if you want to carry out your lifestyle of crime , just do it elsewhere

 

[doublebogey7]

I was in the Philippines last month and spent some time in Davao and samal Island , check it out , wonderful place and cheap too , Like it that much I bought some land there on a golf resort with the view to retire there soon or at very least built a holiday home , lovely spot and good course designed by Andy Dye . The crime rate there is almost zero , the mayor has been in power there for 25 years and if you do crime of any sort over there you are given a few warnings then your village chief or head is advised and you and your family are advised clean up your act or ship out as you are now black listed , carry on and the DDS ( Davao Death squad ) will come along and just shoot you , end off , not right or human rights and all that but it works , most of the people there like the way their city is and nobody knows who this DDS is or want to find out or even report them , suits everyone except the crooks , its a safe place let me tell you , check it out on the net ...........we are too soft over here and its getting out of hand at times ................

I have checked it out on the net and find that the Philippines has a homicide rate over 4 times that of the UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

There is a whole lot of nonsense talk in the press about our crime rate when all the statistics show that it is very low compared to most of the rest of the world.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I have been over , lived there so I do know what I am talking about , I played golf with locals over there , and if you play golf over there you got money and I chatted about it to these people and they not bothered about it ........no cime means their business are not likely to get robbed , if you read what I wrote you will see they don't just shoot you , you given warnings , more then one and also given the chance to move out of the area if you want to carry out your lifestyle of crime , just do it elsewhere

What about those people that don't have money? They are likely the ones to be picked on and controlled out of fear of the DDI.

I appreciate the warnings etc, but this doesn't exactly sound like a thorough legal system. What if there were witchunts, with innocent people being accused repeatedly by their neighbours, before they eventually get shot by the DDI for "repeated" crimes.

I'm pretty happy with our current system, with no irreversible death penalty at the end.

 

[JCW]

What about those people that don't have money? They are likely the ones to be picked on and controlled out of fear of the DDI.

I appreciate the warnings etc, but this doesn't exactly sound like a thorough legal system. What if there were witchunts, with innocent people being accused repeatedly by their neighbours, before they eventually get shot by the DDI for "repeated" crimes.

I'm pretty happy with our current system, with no irreversible death penalty at the end.

All I can say that they don't target the poor or bully anyone , I have spoke to caddies , bar staff , hotel staff , taxi drivers , restaurant owners , all say the same , that's a fact , put it too you this way , known thief breaks into your home robs you gets caught and gets some soft poor sentence and is out in weeks on good behaviour and then comes round and robs you again because he has a habit , I could go but this guy does not stop , why because we are soft over here and he knows he get a little time , he can handle that , can you handle your home being broken into , I have had it done to me twice , its not very nice I can tell you , the guy was a repeat offender and he is still doing it , has a drug habit so they send him to a clinic to clean his act up , good boy for a bit then comes out and carries on , over 100 convictions for robbery , we are paying for in to rob us in a way , lock him up and throw the key away I say , these people are of no use to anyone , in the old days we sent them to Australia

 

[Foxholer]

All I can say that they don't target the poor or bully anyone , I have spoke to caddies , bar staff , hotel staff , taxi drivers , restaurant owners , all say the same , that's a fact , put it too you this way , known thief breaks into your home robs you gets caught and gets some soft poor sentence and is out in weeks on good behaviour and then comes round and robs you again because he has a habit , I could go but this guy does not stop , why because we are soft over here and he knows he get a little time , he can handle that , can you handle your home being broken into , I have had it done to me twice , its not very nice I can tell you , the guy was a repeat offender and he is still doing it , has a drug habit so they send him to a clinic to clean his act up , good boy for a bit then comes out and carries on , over 100 convictions for robbery , we are paying for in to rob us in a way , lock him up and throw the key away I say , these people are of no use to anyone , in the old days we sent them to Australia

Totally against everything a Humane society stands for!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davao_death_squads

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_killings_and_forced_disappearances_in_the_Philippines

Notice the several condemnations in General Assembly of UN!

What gives you, or anyone else for that matter, the right to describe that some folk 'are no use to anyone'! Some of these folk are simply victims, with the REAL criminals being their suppliers!

as for Convict Shipping ...Ah yes. Late 18th-Early 19th Century. What a humane society that was! Slavery was still a big earner for UK, particularly Bristol and Bath!

 

[clubchamp98]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26236225

Seems right to me - in the 'rare and exception' cases.

Another battle with ECHR coming up? I expect some sort of compromise - like a review after 40 years - to be the result.

I think the yanks have this one covered 100yrs for murder if you serve all your sentence you can leave no prob.

 

[SocketRocket]

Totally against everything a Humane society stands for!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davao_death_squads

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_killings_and_forced_disappearances_in_the_Philippines


Notice the several condemnations in General Assembly of UN!

What gives you, or anyone else for that matter, the right to describe that some folk 'are no use to anyone'! Some of these folk are simply victims, with the REAL criminals being their suppliers!

as for Convict Shipping ...Ah yes. Late 18th-Early 19th Century. What a humane society that was! Slavery was still a big earner for UK, particularly Bristol and Bath!

Bristol yes. Not sure about Bath, you cant sail very big ships out of Bath. Liverpool more likely.

 

[JustOne]

I have checked it out on the net and find that the Philippines has a homicide rate over 4 times that of the UK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

There is a whole lot of nonsense talk in the press about our crime rate when all the statistics show that it is very low compared to most of the rest of the world.

Of course it is - as JCW explains above - there's death squads killing the criminals that's going to warp any statistics :whoo:

 

[Foxholer]

Bristol yes. Not sure about Bath, you cant sail very big ships out of Bath. Liverpool more likely.

Not so much the actual trade, but the subsequent use of the profits. Bath's elegance was built from the proceeds of it - the Royal crescent for example.

Liverpool was certainly a major player in both areas!

And, of course, London was in the Centre of it - from the start - in fact had the monopoly, by Royal Charter! But that's London's particular specialism!

 

[Hacker Khan]

I was in the Philippines last month and spent some time in Davao and samal Island , check it out , wonderful place and cheap too , Like it that much I bought some land there on a golf resort with the view to retire there soon or at very least built a holiday home , lovely spot and good course designed by Andy Dye . The crime rate there is almost zero , the mayor has been in power there for 25 years and if you do crime of any sort over there you are given a few warnings then your village chief or head is advised and you and your family are advised clean up your act or ship out as you are now black listed , carry on and the DDS ( Davao Death squad ) will come along and just shoot you , end off , not right or human rights and all that but it works , most of the people there like the way their city is and nobody knows who this DDS is or want to find out or even report them , suits everyone except the crooks , its a safe place let me tell you , check it out on the net ...........we are too soft over here and its getting out of hand at times ................

Sounds lovely, but it's nothing new as I'm sure vigilante death squads was one of Mrs Thatchers more extreme policies that got vetoed by the cabinet at the time.

Do they do any moonlighting, so if you slip them 10 dollars they can take out some poor people as well? EYDDS.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I am no fan of the COHR but in this case I can see their point. No matter how horrendous the crimes committed by people like Rose West her sentence could be reviewed after say 30 years. She probably would not be released but it would be a sign that we are more humane than her.

I agree. Though we need a COHR despite the apparently perverse and often infuriating nature of some of it's rulings.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Because two killings don't cancel each other out

What if they are deemed mentally ill ?

Sorry but the death penalty IMO is wrong and deserves to stay in the dark ages

I'm with you on this one Phil

 

[SocketRocket]

Though we need a COHR despite the apparently perverse and often infuriating nature of some of it's rulings.

Why?

 

[Andy808]

Can't we find a large uninhabited island to send them to to fend for themselves?
I'm sure we did that once before and it seems to have worked out fairly well for all involved.

 

[Foxholer]

Why?

Because the Judiciary of individual Countries, however good and independent they are, only rule on The Law (1). And Law is created by Politicians for their own political reasons, so could quite possibly clash with what they and previous politicians have agreed to as 'Human Rights'. It is the ECHR that subsequently has the final say on such clashes.

Worth mentioning (again) that ECHR is a distinct entity and is not part of the EU. The 'European' part of the title may mislead, or allow misleading! Especially UK Governments (and particularly Home Office Ministers/Home Secretaries)! Even if UK withdrew from the EU, UK Law could still be challenged in ECHR!

(1) though in UK, The Human Rights Act requires them to 'have regard' for ECHR Decisions (or likely ones I believe).

 

[MegaSteve]

Sounds lovely, but it's nothing new as I'm sure vigilante death squads was one of Mrs Thatchers more extreme policies that got vetoed by the cabinet at the time.

Wasn't aware there was anyone in Maggie's cabinet with sufficient cojones to veto any policy she may have supported...