Let's Moan About Refs Yet Again

It's funny.

At the start of the match when I saw Dowd (sp?) was in charge is said to the wife

"There will be a red card in this match then"

Turns out I was proved right. You just know a certain few refs like to pull the red in the big games.

As for the match I thought it was pretty well refereed. A lot I of soft falling over, but that's premier league football these days.

Vidic's intent saw him get then red' but Rafael should also have gone.

There have been some shocking decisions across the leagues this weekend. I wonder if people in charge of the referees feel they do a good job.
 
Refs are under pressure,and I see no end in sight. I wouldnt like to do it and im a mod , so well used to abuse :)

The only way to move forward is to embrace technology, then there can be no arguments

tennis, rugby and cricket do it, have they suffered? NO

just my view
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Refs are under pressure,and I see no end in sight. I wouldnt like to do it and im a mod , so well used to abuse :)

The only way to move forward is to embrace technology, then there can be no arguments

tennis, rugby and cricket do it, have they suffered? NO

just my view
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I think the difference between those sports and football is they all have what i would call natural breaks in play

I don't think video replay during the game is something that can work in football
 
I find yet again we are drawn into discussing rescissions made in big games. We had Man City v Liverpool, Chelsea v Liverpool, now it's Chelsea v Man United. These games are all huge in respect to the winners and people getting champions league places that are worth multiple millions to clubs in revenue.

The decision to send Vidic off was harsh as I have seen worse than that and players get away with it, remember the etoo tackle on Henderson a couple of weeks ago? So that will be a 3 game ban for him and Man Utd struggling to have a strong defense out over the next few games. That could put the nail in the coffin for them getting into 4th, but fortunately for them it is Cardiff, Stoke and Fulham next, so they might get away with it.

IMO something needs to be done to help the ref out, or this is just going to become a regular thing that the league positions are going to decided by them, not the players.
 
MadAdey said:
I find yet again we are drawn into discussing rescissions made in big games. We had Man City v Liverpool, Chelsea v Liverpool, now it's Chelsea v Man United. These games are all huge in respect to the winners and people getting champions league places that are worth multiple millions to clubs in revenue.

The decision to send Vidic off was harsh as I have seen worse than that and players get away with it, remember the etoo tackle on Henderson a couple of weeks ago? So that will be a 3 game ban for him and Man Utd struggling to have a strong defense out over the next few games. That could put the nail in the coffin for them getting into 4th, but fortunately for them it is Cardiff, Stoke and Fulham next, so they might get away with it.

IMO something needs to be done to help the ref out, or this is just going to become a regular thing that the league positions are going to decided by them, not the players.
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Whilst I agree that decisions have an impact. That has been the case as long as I remember. Today Chelsea got lucky, next week UTD, the week after Liverpool etc. we all get then, although some (big clubs) more than others. I think we're a long way away from the ref deciding champions or we would of had more than four teams win the title for best part of 20years. We're all quick enough to forget when things go our way.
 
MadAdey said:
That was disgraceful, that is the sort of tackle they have tried to remove from football.

so one red and one yellow. But the wrong way round. Loosing Vidic for a few games will hurt them more than if it had been the correct way round.
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The problem is that Man U could appeal against the Vidic red card and possibly get it over turned so that Vidic will be available for them in the next few games, whereas the Rafael challenge that deserved a red can't be looked at again as the ref saw it and gave a yellow.
 
ColchesterFC said:
The problem is that Man U could appeal against the Vidic red card and possibly get it over turned so that Vidic will be available for them in the next few games, whereas the Rafael challenge that deserved a red can't be looked at again as the ref saw it and gave a yellow.
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And that's wrong and that is something that needs changing

It shouldn't matter if the ref has dealt with it or not - there should be a system in place where yellow cards can get upgraded

Still amazed at the McManaman incident last year
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And that's wrong and that is something that needs changing

It shouldn't matter if the ref has dealt with it or not - there should be a system in place where yellow cards can get upgraded

Still amazed at the McManaman incident last year
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Totally agree. Just because the ref saw it and got it wrong at the time doesn't mean that they shouldn't be able to go back and correct it later. Just seems wrong that if a ref (and his two assistants) get it wrong by not seeing it then it can be looked at but if a ref sees it and makes a mistake it can't be put right afterwards.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Totally agree. Just because the ref saw it and got it wrong at the time doesn't mean that they shouldn't be able to go back and correct it later. Just seems wrong that if a ref (and his two assistants) get it wrong by not seeing it then it can be looked at but if a ref sees it and makes a mistake it can't be put right afterwards.
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I think the problem with upgrading retrospectively is that it is still down to opinions to a certain degree. It's why technology should only be used for offside, over the line and if foul inside box or not. Although there are cases where people all agree. Just look at how much debating goes on, on here. Even if a team agreed it was a foul, then they'd have to decide on sanctions.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Totally agree. Just because the ref saw it and got it wrong at the time doesn't mean that they shouldn't be able to go back and correct it later. Just seems wrong that if a ref (and his two assistants) get it wrong by not seeing it then it can be looked at but if a ref sees it and makes a mistake it can't be put right afterwards.
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Would that be the Wigan player who almost decapitated Newcastles Hadeira putting him out the game for months??

Disgraceful what he got away with....unpunished.
 
ColchesterFC said:
The problem is that Man U could appeal against the Vidic red card and possibly get it over turned so that Vidic will be available for them in the next few games, whereas the Rafael challenge that deserved a red can't be looked at again as the ref saw it and gave a yellow.
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I don’t think they would have much of a case though. Whether anyone thinks it a red or a yellow, the FA could say – he was late (at least 2 foot away from the ball), he meant it, there was no attempt for the ball and he made contact. There is no mitigating factor on this occasion.

Moyes must be tearing his hair out, in the last few weeks, Fabio came on and was sent off within 10 minutes. Today, vidic gets sent off in the last few minutes, and Rafael tries to join him. Suicidal decisions by his own players.
 
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