Let's Moan About Refs Yet Again

I've just watched this play to see what all the fuss is about. There are about three Newcastle players offside and one is so close to the ball going past him he is definitely interferring with play. So it is right to disallow it.

So now deal with these bleating moaning complaining managers who simply lay into a referee because he is there and cannot answer back. And none of these slap on the wrist fines that the club pays anyway. Three game bans and not just from the sideline. Ban them from the grounds and see if the situation improves.
 
Pathetic Shark said:
I've just watched this play to see what all the fuss is about. There are about three Newcastle players offside and one is so close to the ball going past him he is definitely interferring with play. So it is right to disallow it.

So now deal with these bleating moaning complaining managers who simply lay into a referee because he is there and cannot answer back. And none of these slap on the wrist fines that the club pays anyway. Three game bans and not just from the sideline. Ban them from the grounds and see if the situation improves.
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Interfering with play is defined as preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball. Who exactly is the offside player preventing from playing the ball ? Hart is yards away and would have to be superman to reach it. Mark Halsey thinks it was a good goal, and as a ref you would hope he knows the rules.

Of course under the old offside rules which most of us older forumers played under it was offside, but under the new rules it all comes down to is the player interfering with Hart. I say no, others disagree. All part of an active forum.:thup:
 
This on clarifying the rule

While standing in an offside position there are three things that a player cannot do:

1...

2. Interfere with an opponent – this means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball. For example, by clearly obstructing the goalkeeper’s line of vision or movement. OR. Making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent. However, in this particular scenario the opponent must be reasonably close to the play so that blocking, deceiving or distracting makes a difference to the active play.

Surely the clause after the OR in 2. above shows that the decision was appropriate.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
This on clarifying the rule

While standing in an offside position there are three things that a player cannot do:

1...

2. Interfere with an opponent – this means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball. For example, by clearly obstructing the goalkeeper’s line of vision or movement. OR. Making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent. However, in this particular scenario the opponent must be reasonably close to the play so that blocking, deceiving or distracting makes a difference to the active play.

Surely the clause after the OR in 2. above shows that the decision was appropriate.
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When does the player obstruct Hart's line of vision ? He can see the ball all the way once it comes through the ruck of players. The movement he makes to avoid the ball is so late and Hart is no where near the ball. Are you saying that without the offside player Hart would have saved or even got close to the ball ? Just because you are close to the ball doesn't mean you are offside. In my opinion the keeper would have got no where near and so the goal should have stood.:ears:
 
richart said:
When does the player obstruct Hart's line of vision ? He can see the ball all the way once it comes through the ruck of players. The movement he makes to avoid the ball is so late and Hart is no where near the ball. Are you saying that without the offside player Hart would have saved or even got close to the ball ? Just because you are close to the ball doesn't mean you are offside. In my opinion the keeper would have got no where near and so the goal should have stood.:ears:
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Surely it is this bit that the ref is applying

Making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent. However, in this particular scenario the opponent must be reasonably close to the play so that blocking, deceiving or distracting makes a difference to the active play.
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And that's what a couple of newspaper columnists have pointed out - that and the fact that it is all...

in the opinion of the referee
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Anyway Newcastle lost and they lost it mentally as well - and Samir Nasri for one ends up suffering for that - out for eight weeks as a result of a rather spiteful swipe after the ball had gone.

Trust that your track just down the road is draining well
 
Seeing what both you and rich are writing, you are highlighting the big problem with the offside rule. It is so open to intepretation and how one sees a situation is seen different by another, the poor old ref only gets one look at it too.
 
I preferred it with the old off side rule when they said that they would give any doubt to the attacker, that was oh so much easier to play to and officiate
 
chrisd said:
I preferred it with the old off side rule when they said that they would give any doubt to the attacker, that was oh so much easier to play to and officiate
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None of this was the player in the 1st or 2nd phase of play and was he causing an obstruction either directly or indirectly to an opponent along with all the other stuff they have wrote into the offside rules.

I remember someone once saying that any player that is on the pitch should be looking to gain an advantage and influence the play because if he isn't he should not be out there.
 
Alan Wiley has just said on Five Live that referee made a mistake. He disallowed the goal because he thought player was in front of Joe Hart, and interfering with line of sight. Player is actually to the side and so not interfering. The referee has also been stood down for next round of premier league games.:mmm:

Good debate and my final word.

SILH, Blackmoor is fine, probably best draining course in the area. We spent a fortune on drainage about 10 years ago, drainage ditches on nearly every hole. Greens are nearly all raised so no problems. One of the reasons I joined as you can play nearly all year round on a firm course.
 
The ref should be permanently stood down - awful ref

He is Mr Beachball !!
 
MadAdey said:
None of this was the player in the 1st or 2nd phase of play and was he causing an obstruction either directly or indirectly to an opponent along with all the other stuff they have wrote into the offside rules.

I remember someone once saying that any player that is on the pitch should be looking to gain an advantage and influence the play because if he isn't he should not be out there.
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I think you'll find that was Brian Clough.

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/lists/160118/top-30-classically-pithy-brian-clough-quotes.html
 
richart said:
SILH, Blackmoor is fine, probably best draining course in the area. We spent a fortune on drainage about 10 years ago, drainage ditches on nearly every hole. Greens are nearly all raised so no problems. One of the reasons I joined as you can play nearly all year round on a firm course.
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Our greens have drained brilliantly (Sheldon banding done 10yrs ago really doing it's job) - but we couldn't get to 14, 17 and 18 greens as they had lakes in front of 14 and 17 due to water backing up from North Downs Way and 18 - not sure where the lake came from - very frustrating. Cleared within a couple of days mind but still very wet underfoot.
 
Ouch that's awful

Clear foul and yellow card

Watched a little bit of the game and looked a good game
 
I watched it live on telly and that was a very difficult one for the ref to spot.

Strange game.....Sunderland supporters were leaving after 25 mins.
I can't say I blamed them.

Luke Shaw looks promising.
 
Looks like the ref was busy in Perth today when Hogans St Johnstone played my Hearts.
Three sent off and a last minute equaliser for 10 man Hearts to make it 3-3.
Proper mens fitba.
 
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