Let's Moan About Refs Yet Again

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Its even more laughable in Europe with the extra officials on the goal line. In the Europa League with Fulham I never saw them make a single decision or assist the referee in any way

Aye - but they crouch attentively - paying close attention to goodness knows what as they never seem to spot anything or contribute to the refereeing of the game. But the crouching is good - clearly there is a HNCP (Historic Natural Crouching Position)

 

[richart]

Plus Joe Hart was waiting for the off side player to touch the ball so he was intefering with play.

Joe Hart had no chance, and he was not waiting for another player to touch the shot. Keepers will dive if they have a chance for the original shot, which is why the are so often wrong footed by a deflection. In this case it was past him before he could move, and the off side players were not interfering/obscuring his view. In my opinion.

 

[MadAdey]

I think the standard of the PL referees this season has gone downhill. Not sure if that is down to being over scrutinised both by their own professional body or the press and managers. Either way they seem to be making too many bad decisions, missing too much and generally making it a lottery for fans and players alike

It does seem to be getting worse. When a human being is involved then mistakes will happen. Decisions like the Sterling penalty have always been there since time began. Fast break away and the poor old ref is left making a decision from 50 yards away because of this. There was contact, and it wasn't a dive, but if the ref could have been closer I do not think he would have given it. But it is not a decision like this one that are annoying (even though I am a Liverpool fan and stoke fans may disagree) it is the ones where they are close to the incident and have a good view of it and still appear to get it wrong, or bottle it, which ever way you look at it. Seems to be a far too familar theme around football fans at the moment week after week.

Is it that refereeing is getting worse? I just think that the rules at times are to blame and the close scrutiny they get from all the TV cameras really does not help them.

 

[Pin-seeker]

What are you talking about ?

It's not petty arguments it's trying to ensure that you have the full facts when making posts

You are talking about diving and Suarez yet he has been booked for diving where as plenty other players have this season

So if you are going to highlight diving ( which is a good thing ) - then please ensure you highlight the correct players who have actually been punished for diving as opposed to highlighting someone who hasn't

Just because he hasn't been booked doesn't mean he hasn't done it. How often do we see players take a dive & not get punished?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You can point out his dives this season if you wish

People can try and crucify Suarez but currently this season he is letting his football do the talking

The incidents where he is involved his season are ones where he has been clattered and getting nothing ( with some believing this to be right ).

Thankfully the players actually diving currently are getting punished.

 

[Pin-seeker]

You can point out his dives this season if you wish

People can try and crucify Suarez but currently this season he is letting his football do the talking

The incidents where he is involved his season are ones where he has been clattered and getting nothing ( with some believing this to be right ).

Thankfully the players actually diving currently are getting punished.

Maybe he's a reformed character.
He'll still be remembered for biting 2 players,racially abusing 1,punching 1,blatant handball V Ghana tho. Shame as he is a quality player.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Depends on who is remembering and his bitter they are and if they don't want to let things drop

I'm remembering him for currently bring one of the best players in the world and a joy to watch. He has served his punishments for things he has done in the past and maybe it's time to move on.

 

[chrisd]

Depends on who is remembering and his bitter they are and if they don't want to let things drop

I'm remembering him for currently bring one of the best players in the world and a joy to watch. He has served his punishments for things he has done in the past and maybe it's time to move on.

There arn't many true fans of football on this forum who wouldn't want him in their team!

Any chance of him coming to Crystal Palace in the transfer window? :whoo:

 

[Pin-seeker]

Depends on who is remembering and his bitter they are and if they don't want to let things drop

I'm remembering him for currently bring one of the best players in the world and a joy to watch. He has served his punishments for things he has done in the past and maybe it's time to move on.

Obviously because your a Liverpool fan.
Joey Barton is probably a reformed character aswell

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As is John Terry I suppose

But you don't see people constantly going on about his past history.

 

[Pin-seeker]

As is John Terry I suppose

But you don't see people constantly going on about his past history.

Pahahahahahahahaha not much

 

[MadAdey]

Why does every football thread have to turn into a personal onslaught of Suarez, no footballer in particular has any relevance to this thread. I wanted to get a discussion going on what is happening with the officials in these games, not if certain players are cheating.

What is it then?

Too much close scrutiny from TV cams highlighting something that has always been there, we have just never had chance to see it like this?
The rules are that open to personal interpretation at times and then other rules have it written in black and white, but the ref then goes against it?
Are the assistant Refs having enough input into decisions?
Do we need video replays because the game is so fast they cant keep up at times?
Or is it just something as simple as the Ref is bottling it in big games and getting it all wrong?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Joe Hart had no chance, and he was not waiting for another player to touch the shot. Keepers will dive if they have a chance for the original shot, which is why the are so often wrong footed by a deflection. In this case it was past him before he could move, and the off side players were not interfering/obscuring his view. In my opinion.

As it happens I think Hart was completely distracted by the presence of the player - you could see that he was looking at him and seemed almost transfixed to the spot expecting him to do something - to the extent that he didn't move to try and save the shot. Besides the player had to do a wee body swerve for the ball to not hit him - how could he not be involved in play if the ball is going to hit him if he doesn't move.

 

[MadAdey]

As it happens I think Hart was completely distracted by the presence of the player - you could see that he was looking at him and seemed almost transfixed to the spot expecting him to do something - to the extent that he didn't move to try and save the shot. Besides the player had to do a wee body swerve for the ball to not hit him - how could he not be involved in play if the ball is going to hit him if he doesn't move.

I think you have pretty much summed up the craziness of the modern offside rule. In the old days that was offside, absolutely no debating it at all. Nowadays and offside is not always that clear cut because of the rules.

 

[richart]

If he had been standing in front of the keeper, blocking his vision of the ball then I would agree, but he wasn't so not interfering as far as I am concerned. Personally think he had made no difference to the outcome of the shot, two keepers wouldn't have got close, so not interfering.

Hart could have gone for the ball once he saw it through the ruck of onside players but by then he would not have got within ten feet of the ball. Players are for ever standing in an offside position, but keepers don't hold there dive until they see if it deflects off one. If a keeper is affected by an offside player I agree with you, but in this case I don't think he was. It was an unstoppable shot.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[AmandaJR]

As it happens I think Hart was completely distracted by the presence of the player - you could see that he was looking at him and seemed almost transfixed to the spot expecting him to do something - to the extent that he didn't move to try and save the shot. Besides the player had to do a wee body swerve for the ball to not hit him - how could he not be involved in play if the ball is going to hit him if he doesn't move.

That's how I saw it but only Joe knows for sure...he seemed to be waiting for the ball to deflect off the off-side player.

 

[MadAdey]

The new offside rule does bring up some great talking points, but who would prefer to see it go back to the 80's rules that where a lot more cut and dry.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If he had been standing in front of the keeper, blocking his vision of the ball then I would agree, but he wasn't so not interfering as far as I am concerned. Personally think he had made no difference to the outcome of the shot, two keepers wouldn't have got close, so not interfering.

Hart could have gone for the ball once he saw it through the ruck of onside players but by then he would not have got within ten feet of the ball. Players are for ever standing in an offside position, but keepers don't hold there dive until they see if it deflects off one. If a keeper is affected by an offside player I agree with you, but in this case I don't think he was. It was an unstoppable shot.

Just my opinion of course.

Maybe - but as an ex-goalie - and not a bad one at that - when the ball is coming in I didn't just watch the ball - my looking and vision field of view is taking in all those who may become involved - for instance in deflecting the shot or following up on a save. You don't just watch the ball. And someone standing just a few yards from me is most certainly at the very forefront of my thinking - conscious and subconscious - whether I commit myself to a dive , even a move, or hold my ground etc.

And in any description of what happened will be included that player moved his hips so the ball doesn't hit him - so his very actions resulted in the ball continuing in the direction it was going.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Surely the easiest thing for people who are complaining is to start refereeing. Do the course, learn the laws of association football (all 17 of them) and get out on a saturday and sunday morning to officiate in games. I've done it. It's hard work. A LOT harder than people believe it is.

Managers make mistakes. Players make mistakes. Officials make mistakes. TV refs are not the answer, in my opinion. Goal-line technology is great, but I think that is as far as it should go.

 

[richart]

Maybe - but as an ex-goalie - and not a bad one at that - when the ball is coming in I didn't just watch the ball - my looking and vision field of view is taking in all those who may become involved - for instance in deflecting the shot or following up on a save. You don't just watch the ball. And someone standing just a few yards from me is most certainly at the very forefront of my thinking - conscious and subconscious - whether I commit myself to a dive , even a move, or hold my ground etc.

And in any description of what happened will be included that player moved his hips so the ball doesn't hit him - so his very actions resulted in the ball continuing in the direction it was going.

Ball skimmed three City defenders on the way through, all blocking Harts view of the ball. He didn't see it until way to late. With shots from distance keepers move to save the original shot, they don't tend to wait for a deflection from someone a few yards out. Hence how many deflected goals we get. If you waited for a deflection you would have no time to save a shot that wasn't deflected. Tiote's shot was going like a rocket, not a slow dribbler that you could react to.

I personally think that the Newcastle player that swerved the ball made no difference to the outcome of the shot. Hart would never have saved it as his view was blocked by about ten players. Even if he had a clear view he would have struggled to get near the shot.

I can understand what you are saying about goalkeepers watching players close to them, if it is an in swinging cross or shot from out wide, hence why so many goals are scored with no one getting a touch, but this was a rocket of a shot, and I believe all goalkeepers would dive for the ball, and not hold back thinking there would be a deflection.