Lady problems

[jim8flog]

My view, FWIW....
Player who simply blobbed and walked to the 11th gets DQ-ed. Other(s) no problem. To me, it's equivalent to starting on 2nd after being late for the 1st in a Stableford comp.

The question then comes how late?

 

[Ian_George]

The question then comes how late?

Sufficient that his or her group had to tee off to avoid the following group from impinging on their following one.

 

[salfordlad]

If there were no booked times or set groups and it was Stableford, I'm not seeing any penalties for anyone. If it was stroke play, the person that skipped the 10th is DQ.

 

[Colin L]

The player needs to be at the correct tee.

5.3a
When to Start Round
A player’s round starts when the player makes a stroke to start his or her first hole (see Rule 6.1a).
The player must start at (and not before) his or her starting time:
This means that the player must be ready to play at the starting time and starting point set by the Committee.

 

[Colin L]

Steven - agreed, but I guess you missed my amendment to my response after checking the Interpretations and reminding myself of Interpretation 5.3a/2

 

[jim8flog]

Sufficient that his or her group had to tee off to avoid the following group from impinging on their following one.

I was referring to your quote about someone joining a group on the second tee.

The rules make leeway for someone being up to 5 minutes late without being DQ.

 

[Ian_George]

I was referring to your quote about someone joining a group on the second tee.

The rules make leeway for someone being up to 5 minutes late without being DQ.

I believe that's a DQ too

 

[rulefan]

The rules make leeway for someone being up to 5 minutes late without being DQ.

I believe that's a DQ too

• Exception 1 – Player Arrives at Starting Point, Ready to Play, No More Than Five Minutes Late: The player gets the general penalty applied to his or her first hole.

 

[rosecott]

If there were no booked times or set groups and it was Stableford, I'm not seeing any penalties for anyone. If it was stroke play, the person that skipped the 10th is DQ.

There were booked tee times and set groups.

 

[salfordlad]

There were booked tee times and set groups.

Fine, this is some of the further information needed you suspected may have been missing from the first post. And what was the competition (it critically impacts some penalties)?

 

[Old Skier]

And ageist!

Ah that was me! (58 & 3/4)

Hard paper round

 

[rosecott]

Fine, this is some of the further information needed you suspected may have been missing from the first post. And what was the competition (it critically impacts some penalties)?

Stableford - 9-hole qualifier

 

[salfordlad]

Stableford - 9-hole qualifier

The more I think about this the more I firm up the view there is no avoiding DQ for both players. Both of them altered their Committee approved/determined groupings - that is a DQ in stroke play and Stableford. And it also appears both failed to make it to the correct initial tee within 5 mins of scheduled time, which also is DQ in stroke and Stableford.

Merely hitting from the wrong tee in Stableford just gets no points for the hole (no requirement to correct like in stroke play) but other rules are determinative here.

As noted earlier, if this was just a roll up where players could hit off whenever with whomever, there would be no penalties incurred.

 

[louise_a]

All very interesting, for our mmid week competitions we book our own tee times and arrange our own groupings, it may be the case that for whatever reason a player or players cannot play and so groups are changed with no input from the committee.

For our major competitions we have a draw with set tee times and if someone drops out the committee will change the tee sheet.

I do not see anything wrong with the way we run things.

 

[salfordlad]

All very interesting, for our mmid week competitions we book our own tee times and arrange our own groupings, it may be the case that for whatever reason a player or players cannot play and so groups are changed with no input from the committee.

For our major competitions we have a draw with set tee times and if someone drops out the committee will change the tee sheet.

I do not see anything wrong with the way we run things.

Agree. This is one of the places where what the rules say (the question we were asked) and what are normal processes in Clubland part company.

I, too, see absolutely nothing wrong adopting pragmatic practices that provide more flexible arrangements in the less formalised club comps.

 

[Jigger]

Given the constant swapping of 9s, I’d imagine that anyone who applied any of the above rulings would become the most hated person in the golf club! ?

I remember one captain being hounded out of a club for applying the missed tee time penalty on someone who was 5mins late even though they were still two tee times behind actually being able to play when he turned up! The guy just need the toilet and saw he had time to go. ??‍