Labour Leadership Competition.

FairwayDodger said:
I know at least one person who has joined to vote against corbyn so don't read too much into the figures.
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One or two chinless wonders I can understand but not 160,000.
I think the middle working classes [if there is such a thing], and well off pensioners have put poverty and their conscious on the back burner and may get an unpleasant surprise.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
That's a bit harsh on the New Tories;)
I think they are still leaning to the right.
Their leader just said that she would have no qualms about killing hundreds and thousands of innocents.
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She didn't say she would have no qualms. She just said she would use it.
I'm sure that afterwards she would go home and agonise about it for hours.
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Oohmeoldbacksknackered said:
Are they going to let the recent new members vote? I thought there was something about having to have been a member for 12 months or something???
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Think only if they have paid £25, if you've just joined in the last 3 months without that you can't vote.
Don't take this as gospel as heard it on the radio on the way home the other day.
 
IanM said:
Labour Party need to remember who formed it, why it was formed, who funds it and why it is important.

In the 1990s it was stolen by a load of posh folk and arty farty people.... Blair and Brown etc... bad news
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Who managed to get labour elected after nearly 20 years of Tory government. Right now we're looking at a party that has no hope of forming an effective opposition never mind winning an election.
 
Paperboy said:
Think only if they have paid £25, if you've just joined in the last 3 months without that you can't vote.
Don't take this as gospel as heard it on the radio on the way home the other day.
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That's the way I heard it. You pay your £3 membership but they still want an extra £25 if you want to vote.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Who managed to get labour elected after nearly 20 years of Tory government. Right now we're looking at a party that has no hope of forming an effective opposition never mind winning an election.
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Blair and Brown only made Labour successful by going against pretty much every traditional Labour value. That's why there's this current backlash
The Labour MPs want to be in power at any cost.
The vocal left wing support want to get back to pre-Blairite values at any cost.
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Boom

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Oohmeoldbacksknackered said:
Blair and Brown only made Labour successful by going against pretty much every traditional Labour value. That's why there's this current backlash
The Labour MPs want to be in power at any cost.
The vocal left wing support want to get back to pre-Blairite values at any cost.
Tick
Tick
Boom

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I don't think that's quite right. Personally, I think labour need to get much more pragmatic about their electoral chances and move towards the centre or we'll just have unfettered Tory rule for the foreseeable future.
 
Oohmeoldbacksknackered said:
Blair and Brown only made Labour successful by going against pretty much every traditional Labour value. That's why there's this current backlash
The Labour MPs want to be in power at any cost.
The vocal left wing support want to get back to pre-Blairite values at any cost.
Tick
Tick
Boom

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Or maybe the Labour party of Blair et al listened to the electorate and came up with something the electorate wanted.

The Labour party of the Blair era occupied the centre left, making it attractive to the pale blue Tory voters and the dark yellow Liberal supporters. Whatever the failings were in foreign policy, Labour then walked a fine balance between big business and social policies. In the main, they achieved good things in those areas.

Whilst the current Labour party strives for its 60's/70's footing they won't get my vote. No way am I going back to the country being run by the unions and the far left. I'll vote Tory every time, and twice on Sunday's, to avoid a return to those desperate times.
 
FairwayDodger said:
I don't think that's quite right. Personally, I think labour need to get much more pragmatic about their electoral chances and move towards the centre or we'll just have unfettered Tory rule for the foreseeable future.
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The party needs to start listening and acting on behalf of the people it was formed to do so... Otherwise I fear an even greater migration of good people taking their support to UKIP [who give the impression they are listening] which would be catastrophic... If 'centrist' governance worked we'd still be in the EU... It doesn't and we aren't....

When a lot of those currently sitting at Labours top table are faced with the concerns of 'the great unwashed' they cop a deaf 'un or throw their arms up uttering 'this is not why I entered politics'... Simply not good enough...
 
Hobbit said:
Whilst the current Labour party strives for its 60's/70's footing they won't get my vote. No way am I going back to the country being run by the unions and the far left.
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40+ years membership of the EU and 'globalisation' has put paid to a return to the 60/70's.... Best years ever as far as I am concerned... We still, despite many dark days, had plenty of opportunity for those that wanted to take them... I meet too many kids, educated far better than I ever was, driving friggin' vans or working at coffee bars etc who should have had far better opportunities available to them than they currently have... Breaks my heart every time... A nation of shelfstackers and warehouseman... Yep, we've come a long way since Thatcher...
 
MegaSteve said:
40+ years membership of the EU and 'globalisation' has put paid to a return to the 60/70's.... Best years ever as far as I am concerned... We still, despite many dark days, had plenty of opportunity for those that wanted to take them... I meet too many kids, educated far better than I ever was, driving friggin' vans or working at coffee bars etc who should have had far better opportunities available to them than they currently have... Breaks my heart every time... A nation of shelfstackers and warehouseman... Yep, we've come a long way since Thatcher...
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It is a common misconception that Thatcher destroyed British manufacturing, she didn't.

She merely finished the job begun in the 60's & 70's by lack of investment, poor management, destructive unions and no leadership from the Wilson and Callaghan Governments.

God knows where you were if those were the best years!
 
MetalMickie said:
It is a common misconception that Thatcher destroyed British manufacturing, she didn't.

She merely finished the job begun in the 60's & 70's by lack of investment, poor management, destructive unions and no leadership from the Wilson and Callaghan Governments.

God knows where you were if those were the best years!
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I don't think Thatcher destroyed, or finished off, British manufacturing. I think she refused to back severely failing nationalised industries but was more than willing to support proper business.

She refused to back down from confrontation with the unions, the miners being a prime example. Should she have closed mining or forced the miner's union to behave more responsibly? That's a tough one. One thing is for sure, there wasn't a major strike of that ilk again.

Did she go too far with industrial/union reform? Probably.
 
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