Jeremy Corbyn

Listening to a firm supporter of Jeremy Corbyn on LBC extoll his virtues to Shelagh Fogerty - and he doesn't get it.

OK - the path that Jeremy Corbyn is mapping out may be the right path for many of centre or centre-left or left views; and that he has the full and enthusiastic support of Labour Party members. But that matters not a jot if the electorate do not believe; trust or connect with him.

I for one might believe in much of what he says - but I just do not connect with him at all - not at all. And I don't think I ever will. And this isn't about what I read or hear about him - it is not the media. When I see and hear him speak I just do not connect with him at all.

And because of that (exacerbated by his position on Brexit/Art50) I struggle to see me voting Labour while he is LP leader. And that is the problem Labour have. I have voted Labour for most of the last 30yrs - but unless something changes drastically with him I can't see me voting Labour again while he is leading.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Listening to a firm supporter of Jeremy Corbyn on LBC extoll his virtues to Shelagh Fogerty - and he doesn't get it.

OK - the path that Jeremy Corbyn is mapping out may be the right path for many of centre or centre-left or left views; and that he has the full and enthusiastic support of Labour Party members. But that matters not a jot if the electorate do not believe; trust or connect with him.

I for one might believe in much of what he says - but I just do not connect with him at all - not at all. And I don't think I ever will. And this isn't about what I read or hear about him - it is not the media. When I see and hear him speak I just do not connect with him at all.

And because of that (exacerbated by his position on Brexit/Art50) I struggle to see me voting Labour while he is LP leader. And that is the problem Labour have. I have voted Labour for most of the last 30yrs - but unless something changes drastically with him I can't see me voting Labour again while he is leading.
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Regarding the Article 50 vote in Parliament, about 90% of all MP's supported the Remain side before the referendum, and that was no different in the Labour Party. The vast majority of the ardent Leavers were right wing Tories plus the one UKIP MP. Labour's manifesto supported staying as members of the EU, and I understand that about 56% of their voters voted Remain. That being the case Jeremy Corbyn should have either allowed his MP's to vote with their consciences or the wishes of their constituents, or as leader of HM Opposition whip them to vote against the A50 Bill. In fact he whipped to support the Bill, which is why he got so many resignations from the Shadow Cabinet. The Tories probably would have got the Bill passed anyway with their majority in Parliament, but Corbyn effectively rubber stamped it and made himself look ridiculous!
 
delc said:
Regarding the Article 50 vote in Parliament, about 90% of all MP's supported the Remain side before the referendum, and that was no different in the Labour Party. The vast majority of the ardent Leavers were right wing Tories plus the one UKIP MP. Labour's manifesto supported staying as members of the EU, and I understand that about 56% of their voters voted Remain. That being the case Jeremy Corbyn should have either allowed his MP's to vote with their consciences or the wishes of their constituents, or as leader of HM Opposition whip them to vote against the A50 Bill. In fact he whipped to support the Bill, which is why he got so many resignations from the Shadow Cabinet. The Tories probably would have got the Bill passed anyway with their majority in Parliament, but Corbyn effectively rubber stamped it and made himself look ridiculous!
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Dismayed by Corbyn and Labour stance on Art50. How can I respect an MP/leader who changes their position on such a critical matter for the country - all in the interests of short-termist self-preservation. Any MP worth their salt would have voted according to their conscience and made their case in the next GE.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Listening to a firm supporter of Jeremy Corbyn on LBC extoll his virtues to Shelagh Fogerty - and he doesn't get it.

OK - the path that Jeremy Corbyn is mapping out may be the right path for many of centre or centre-left or left views; and that he has the full and enthusiastic support of Labour Party members. But that matters not a jot if the electorate do not believe; trust or connect with him.

I for one might believe in much of what he says - but I just do not connect with him at all - not at all. And I don't think I ever will. And this isn't about what I read or hear about him - it is not the media. When I see and hear him speak I just do not connect with him at all.

And because of that (exacerbated by his position on Brexit/Art50) I struggle to see me voting Labour while he is LP leader. And that is the problem Labour have. I have voted Labour for most of the last 30yrs - but unless something changes drastically with him I can't see me voting Labour again while he is leading.
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Dismayed by Corbyn and Labour stance on Art50. How can I respect an MP/leader who changes their position on such a critical matter for the country - all in the interests of short-termist self-preservation. Any MP worth their salt would have voted according to their conscience and made their case in the next GE.
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Oh no! I have to give you two likes.

I tend to vote in who and what I believe is right/trustworthy. Sometimes its been Cons(twice), most of the time its been LibDems, but there's also been a few votes gone to Labour.

I won't be voting Labour whilst Corbyn and the far left are leading the party. I like some of what he says but I think he'll have to do so much horse trading with the far left he'll become their puppet. Its Michael Foot time all over again...
 
I have always believed that Corbyn was the stalking horse until the new fresh guy/gal popped up a year before the election.

Trouble now is that there is no obvious guy/gal to pop up.
I thought Khan may have been the Messiah but he just lost Scotland with one stoopid sentence.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Dismayed by Corbyn and Labour stance on Art50. How can I respect an MP/leader who changes their position on such a critical matter for the country - all in the interests of short-termist self-preservation. Any MP worth their salt would have voted according to their conscience and made their case in the next GE.
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He probably did vote with his conscience, Corbyn has never been a Europhile.
 
Corbyn ruling out a post election alliance with the SNP, silly boy.
He is now totally powerless and is going down the same road as Milliband.

Scotland also moves one step closer to Independence.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Corbyn ruling out a post election alliance with the SNP, silly boy.
He is now totally powerless and is going down the same road as Milliband.

Scotland also moves one step closer to Independence.
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If he agrees anything for post election now the opposition will use it against him, why give the narrow minded nationalists more ammunition!
 
I used to regard myself as a staunch Labour supporter, and while I agree with a lot of what he says there's an awful lot I don't agree with. Never going to vote conservative as any good Scot would, so where does it leave me? I recon there's millions like me undecided. I honestly can't see me voting for any of the main parties. Corbyn is electable and until that changes I won't be casting my vote for him.
 
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