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Didn't Jezza used to give Fatty Abbott one? I bet he wasn't a pacifist when they went at it.
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Old Skier
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The man was very clever in getting his letter out even when it appears to contravene protocol within cabinet meetings. He knows that his activists are 100% behind him and if MPs go against his wishes he will then be in a position to sack any MP he wants.
Benn appears to be positioning himself for a takeover.
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He seems to be a dangerous person oh regards his views and the position he holds - being a pacifist it's a noble thing, fully understand it but i don't think there is a place for a pacifist in modern leadership unfortunately
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Is this the pacifist that openly supported some of the biggest murdering terrorists that this and other countries have ever had to deal with. I'm sure he is quite happy to have his armed close protection detail around him these days.
I would like to think that all politicians would want peace. And I'd like to think that they would all recognise that sometimes you have to fight for it.
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I think that is spot on and summed up better than what I can say
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I don't doubt that JC is an honourable man and international affairs could be a whole lot simpler were we dealing with other honourable people.
Sadly the other side are not playing by the 'rules' and have no interest in settling their differences the main aim being religious and the secondary aim is to have a 'state' which would take part of Turkey - faced with pacifism they will simply exploit it to their advantage.
Turkey is led by a ruler who has been duplicitous for decades and extremists are funded/supported by many similar others that use backdoor avenues/methods that do not respect 'honour' and moral codes.
I suspect the die was caste too long ago to reverse the trend and conflict in the region will last many more decades and become more asymmetric which will make it harder for JC and other pacifists to ignore.
Sadly the other side are not playing by the 'rules' and have no interest in settling their differences the main aim being religious and the secondary aim is to have a 'state' which would take part of Turkey - faced with pacifism they will simply exploit it to their advantage.
Turkey is led by a ruler who has been duplicitous for decades and extremists are funded/supported by many similar others that use backdoor avenues/methods that do not respect 'honour' and moral codes.
I suspect the die was caste too long ago to reverse the trend and conflict in the region will last many more decades and become more asymmetric which will make it harder for JC and other pacifists to ignore.
Foxholer
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Except on published Manifesto items (where the whip should be obeyed), this would be my preference. But it's never going to happen!
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So is that the 'OK, we are in a [self censored] hole but it is too late now to stop digging' doctrine?
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He didn't support them, he thought that the best way to peace was to talk to them. Turned out he was right.
At the same time as Jeremy Corbyn was talking to Gerry Adams in public, the Tory Govt was talking to them in private.
Send him to Syria to talk to ISIS then.
Ethan
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Gerry Adams wanted to talk. Not sure if ISIS have declared the same.
Agreed and sometimes the answer would seem to be staring you in the face. Not sure we'll ever get a unified response though.
He might lose his head in more than one way! :mmm:
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...and so I hear someone in the middle of his castigation of JC over his position on Syria decide to support his argument by throwing in Trident renewal as further evidence of the need to bomb Daesh. They want to obtain a nuclear bomb and so we must keep ours. That isn't great logic and seems to typicfy the loginc of those that support bombing. It's emotional, historic and histrionic - almost hysterical. I do wonder if Daesh got a bomb and used it - who and where would we attack with our Trident missiles. Too much of the logic just doesn;t work.
All I need to know is:
(a) in what way will the UK joining USA, France and Russia in the current and ongoing bombing campaign change anything in Syria for the better (forget the tosh the Tory-boy on QT spouted about UKs super-duper accurate Brimstone missiles as if the US or France don't have the same capability as he pretended they don't) and...
(b) precisely how bombing Daesh targets in Syria will reduce the risk of atrocity on UK mainland.
All I need to know is:
(a) in what way will the UK joining USA, France and Russia in the current and ongoing bombing campaign change anything in Syria for the better (forget the tosh the Tory-boy on QT spouted about UKs super-duper accurate Brimstone missiles as if the US or France don't have the same capability as he pretended they don't) and...
(b) precisely how bombing Daesh targets in Syria will reduce the risk of atrocity on UK mainland.
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Having worked on Brimstone missiles, the yanks have nothing similar to them. They are a very good piece of kit against armoured targets. They can change targets after being fired if they detect a bigger threat.
Saw the videos of them at work, where the tank I between two building gets destroyed and virtually no damage to the buildings its between.
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The yanks etc don't have anything like the Brimstone - so "Tory boy" wasn't spouting tosh at all
Here is a couple of articles you prob should have read before posting your statement
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...in-Iraq-is-so-sought-after-in-60-seconds.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...missile-envied-by-the-US-for-war-on-Isil.html
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Amazing bit of kit it and far more clinical so it's excellent in these circumstance to knock out ISIS strongholds who cowardly hide themselves amongst civilian populations, or maybe we should only hit them back when they hit us and just allow them to plot their next murderous atrocities
Prevention rather than cure, although were a bit past that in some ways for a lot of victims as British Nationals are at risk where ever we are in the world and where ISIS are prepared to strike, to think otherwise is naive and dangerous, they need wiping out, period, so bomb there strongholds, training camps, HQ,s and anything that keeps disrupting them and reducing their numbers.
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Spot on Robin :thup:
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Some reports are saying that IS in Syria are using the same tactics as the Viet Cong and living in tunnel communes under the villages.
Re bombing.
The Paris bombers were French and lived in Paris, the London Bombers were English and lived in London.
Does that mean the allies should start bombing those two cities.
Loved the comment from a Glasgwegian when the defense minister mentioned Glasgow may be a possible target.
'The only terrorist attack in Scotland was dealt with by a baggage handler and a traffic warden.'
Re bombing.
The Paris bombers were French and lived in Paris, the London Bombers were English and lived in London.
Does that mean the allies should start bombing those two cities.
Loved the comment from a Glasgwegian when the defense minister mentioned Glasgow may be a possible target.
'The only terrorist attack in Scotland was dealt with by a baggage handler and a traffic warden.'
