Jeremy Corbyn

I voted for Jezza in the hope he could engage with the can't be asked and get them to be asked... Generally considered, should that happen, it'll be a goodly victory for the left...

Sick and tired of puppet politicians who talk the talk but don't actually walk the walk... The current pair of muppets, in charge, are only a slightly bluer tinged duo than the last pair...
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think Ruth Davidson is beginning to win over new Tory voters.
I heard her on 'Off the Ball' the other weekend and she performed well against a couple of fierce presenters. :lol:
Knows her fitba as well.
She has placed the Scottish Tories apart from Westminster.
I would not be surprised if the Tories win a few seats in 2016.
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She was good wasn't she - a Dunfermline Athletic supporter...getting the 3rd degree from St Johnstone and Motherwell supporters. You can't beat Off the Ball. Cracking listen.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I do not see Labour ever getting a full UK majority without the Scottish vote.
At the moment Labour in Scotland are even more toxic than the Tories were under Thatcher.

Both Milliband and Corbyn rejected an 'arrangement' with the SNP.
I can understand Milliband's stance but Corbyn has made a tactical mistake IMO.
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Oh come on, not even close!
 
ger147 said:
Brown was in effect "crowned" leader i.e. there was no leadership vote, he was the only candidate on the ballot paper and therefore was simply declared the new leader. Milliband got in via the old union block vote system which he then abolished and move to "one member one vote" which may have been the best idea except that many "non-members" also got a vote with the introduction of the 2 categories of supporters, one of which was the infamous "£3 to become a registered supporter" group.

Arguably, Corbyn's was the most democratic as it's based on one person one vote, but true democracy isn't really that popular amongst the political classes in the UK. For the best description of what UK democracy really is and how it works, I would urge you to re-visit Yes Prime Minister Seires 2 Episode 5, "Power to the People". It's almost as funny as it is scary because it is IMHO also deadly accurate.
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The point I was trying to make is I am not sure the process needs to be democratic it needs to work, they keep getting the wrong answer.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Oh come on, not even close!
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I agree. The Tories remain the utterly 'untouchables' for most folk in Scotland - despite nice and wryly amusing Ruth. Labour is more like the prodigal son - it 'left home' and lost it's way; it is dead to many of the Scottish electorate but will it become alive again and find it's way back into their hearts. Probably in time - if time Labour had aplenty. But how much time do Labour in Scotland actually have before they are forgotten or someone else takes their place.
 
freddielong said:
The point I was trying to make is I am not sure the process needs to be democratic it needs to work, they keep getting the wrong answer.
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I wasn't suggesting anything about what the system should or shouldn't be. I was merely replying to your comment that you weren't sure how Milliband and Brown got it, now you do.
 
pauldj42 said:
Iraq was a lot safer under Sadam;)
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Not if you were Kurdish, a Marsh Arab, a Shi'ite, or from one of the many other groups that wasn't actually in his favour!

Estimates of those murdered under this oppression range from 70 to 200 thousand!

While I believe Iraq2 was illegal, the world is well rid of Saddam Hussein!
 
Foxholer said:
Not if you were Kurdish, a Marsh Arab, a Shi'ite, or from one of the many other groups that wasn't actually in his favour!

Estimates of those murdered under this oppression range from 70 to 200 thousand!

While I believe Iraq2 was illegal, the world is well rid of Saddam Hussein!
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Wasn't a serious post, flipant reply to an odd comment, 😃
 
Hobbit said:
Not really surprising as it appears that's where the majority of his support comes from. It more or less guarantees he'll get what he wants rather than ask the MP's and get little support.
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I think that, under Harriot Harman's leadership, abstaining from the welfare bill was the final straw for most of Labour's membership.
It will be interesting to see where this takes us.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I think that, under Harriot Harman's leadership, abstaining from the welfare bill was the final straw for most of Labour's membership.
It will be interesting to see where this takes us.
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I agree, it'll be interesting to see where it takes Labour. But in terms of government, it's just a side show. Labour have a lot to do before they become viable opposition or govt.
 
Hobbit said:
I agree, it'll be interesting to see where it takes Labour. But in terms of government, it's just a side show. Labour have a lot to do before they become viable opposition or govt.
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Agree ...but......I have a feeling in my water that they are going to surprise a lot of people.
I have a Tory voting [last time] friend who seems quite impressed with Jeremy's quiet manner and tactics.
 
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