Only as much as every PM. And even some of those that thought Blair was brilliant at the time of his first election win, hated him with a passion after Iraq.
Jeremy Corbyn
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Only as much as every PM. And even some of those that thought Blair was brilliant at the time of his first election win, hated him with a passion after Iraq.
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No arguments from me on that - hence why I think the last great leader the nation had was Churchill
chrisd
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Answer - did Winston Churchill ?
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I don't know - what I do know is he United the country at one stage in his reign as PM
But I'll bow out at the stage of you avoiding the direct questions Chris.
chrisd
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So did Maggie - she liberated the Falklands, that got her another term of office! He won the war and didn't get elected!
Yes he did. He was an MP in a number of constituencies, thanks to either losing in elections or selection when he crossed the floor of the house. And he again crossed the floor later in his political career. There was also a number of serious strikes towards the end of the war, as people fell out with him and his policies. And he was severely shocked to lose the election immediately after the war.
He, like many leaders, was a marmite person. Either loved or hated.... sound familiar?
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Do you really think the Falklands United the country behind Thatcher ?!?
Yep I'm out on that note
Yes, she was losing popularity, and so were the Cons, in the run up to the Falklands. And when she went to the polls afterwards she won quite comfortably - suggests she won people over.
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Winning people over isn't uniting the country behind her though
Edit : damn it said I was out
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I opened a bottle of Lansing when Dorothys bucket of water done its job.
chrisd
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I've seen it all before, ask the same points you've made throughout in the form of individual questions and then try to suggest that I support your arguments and therefore you're conclusion is right - I don't agree the initial premise that a great leader can't divide people, Field Marshall Montgomery was highly disliked but a great leader of his time
Pin-seeker
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Winning people over isn't uniting the country behind her though
Edit : damn it said I was out
You also said you wouldn't be posting on the forum anymore.
The place wasn't the same without you.
ColchesterFC
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It's been mentioned a couple of times in this thread that if Corbyn gets the Labour leadership then Labour would become unelectable and the Tories without a credible opposition could tear themselves apart. Is it not possible that if Corbyn did become Labour leader that the Labour party could end up splitting with Corbyn leading a left wing Labour party and A N Other leading a centre left version of the Labour party/
For clarity I am not suggesting that either party would split as I have no idea but am simply asking the question.
For clarity I am not suggesting that either party would split as I have no idea but am simply asking the question.
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I can't see them splitting immediately but if the forecast landslide GE win for ghe Tories in the next one then action like that coild happen and if it does then would it make the Tories even stronger ?
The Labour Party splitting has happened not that long ago, and pretty much on the back of Labour swinging to the left. After several disaterous elections New Labour emerged with a more centre stance under Blair and 3 election victories ensued. Seems like Labour are repeating their mistakes...
Fyldewhite
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Thatcher didn't win in 1983 on the crest of the Falklands wave (though it did her "iron lady" image no harm). She won because labour had lurched to the left, the centre left had gone their own way in the SDP and what was left under Michael Foot were frankly unelectable. They are in big danger of going down the same road.
Ethan
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I lived through those times too and can give you reasons why I said what I said, so I will accept your reply as a concession.
Ethan
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The Thatcher version was more like eugenics than evolution. Survival of the fittest occurs following random changes and mutations not planned ones.
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chrisd
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It's not, but if it makes you happy!
Doon frae Troon
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Keiza gets the SLAB gig, another big boost for the SNP membership.
True to form she is quickly backtracking on her earlier negative comments about Corbyn.
True to form she is quickly backtracking on her earlier negative comments about Corbyn.
