Jeremy Corbyn

[Deleted member 15344]

Maybe, but the country needed someone really strong to take on the issues of the day. We had the winter of discontent, unions who were ruining the companies their members worked for, the 3 day week, tax bands up to 98%, and she waded into these problems and sorted them. She also sold off the hugely loss making privatised companies, sold council houses without which many of us wouldn't now own our own properties. She was influential in helping resolve the cold war. She worked on bringing in foreign investment to our country.

She was a great leader!

How can a great leader increase the employment levels to a record high - she led more people to the dole

I believe this is a pro labour site so will be full of pro labour stuff but within the mix there appears to be some truths to dispelling some myths
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/dispelling-the-thatcher-myths/

 

[chrisd]

Pick anything you like Phil, it doesn't prove your argument. She wasn't Mother Theresa, she had to do unpopular things and we had our usual cyclical recession in the early 80's and unemployment soared but she was a great leader

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Pick anything you like Phil, it doesn't prove your argument. She wasn't Mother Theresa, she had to do unpopular things and we had our usual cyclical recession in the early 80's and unemployment soared but she was a great leader

Stating "she was a great leader" every time you post doesn't make it factually correct

As been mentioned a number of times - a great leader doesn't create such a clear division within the nation.

Yes she did some good things in regards council houses and reigning in the unions but that doesn't make her a great leader

 

[FairwayDodger]

Pick anything you like Phil, it doesn't prove your argument. She wasn't Mother Theresa, she had to do unpopular things and we had our usual cyclical recession in the early 80's and unemployment soared but she was a great leader

Drop the great leader mantra. That may be your opinion and its shared by many tories I'm sure. But not by many with a social conscience.

 

[Hobbit]

How can a great leader increase the employment levels to a record high - she led more people to the dole

I believe this is a pro labour site so will be full of pro labour stuff but within the mix there appears to be some truths to dispelling some myths
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/dispelling-the-thatcher-myths/

Some good stuff, and some spin. For example, the raft of Draconian laws the Tories brought in. Without a doubt there were more laws, but I remember Blair's second govt brought in over 110 laws. In many respects the major parties are the same, and many of the examples the posters have highlighted that fact, albeit from different ends of the political spectrum.

I want a strong Socialist party to bring balance to British politics. But Corbyn's history leaves a nasty taste. There's better than Corbyn.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Just ask folks north of the border about Thatcher being a 'great leader'. All these years on mention of her name is still toxic for Tories. She must have made quite an impression - a 'great' impression.

 

[chrisd]

Stating "she was a great leader" every time you post doesn't make it factually correct

As been mentioned a number of times - a great leader doesn't create such a clear division within the nation.

Yes she did some good things in regards council houses and reigning in the unions but that doesn't make her a great leader

Doesn't make it wrong either Phil

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Some good stuff, and some spin. For example, the raft of Draconian laws the Tories brought in. Without a doubt there were more laws, but I remember Blair's second govt brought in over 110 laws. In many respects the major parties are the same, and many of the examples the posters have highlighted that fact, albeit from different ends of the political spectrum.

I want a strong Socialist party to bring balance to British politics. But Corbyn's history leaves a nasty taste. There's better than Corbyn.

Can't disagree with any of that

If Labour wanted a chance at the next election then they wouldn't go far wrong with Andy Burnham

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Just ask folks north of the border about Thatcher being a 'great leader'. All these years on mention of her name is still toxic for Tories. She must have made quite an impression - a 'great' impression.

Ask the people in N Ireland as well

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Doesn't make it wrong either Phil

It makes it an opinion Chris

To be a great leader for me would include bringing the nation together - Thatcher didn't do that , in fact no one has since Churchill and he IMO is our last great leader

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Ask the people in N Ireland as well

...and those of the Midlands and the North of England

 

[chrisd]

It makes it an opinion Chris

Point me to anywhere that it was stated as a fact!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I liked the comment from the Edinburgh pensioner re the three lookee likees

'They have just lost an election, who are they to tell us how to vote.'

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Point me to anywhere that it was stated as a fact!

You didn't Chris hence why i said it's an opinion

You appear to ignore the clear division that was created in a country she "led" - so how exactly can someone be classed as a great leader when a great deal amount of the country she was "leading" don't believe so ?

 

[chrisd]

You didn't Chris hence why i said it's an opinion

You appear to ignore the clear division that was created in a country she "led" - so how exactly can someone be classed as a great leader when a great deal amount of the country she was "leading" don't believe so ?

Because anyone who was around at the time and in favour of her leadership will think she was great at it - hence "a great leader" I acknowledged from the start that others wouldn't agree but 3 periods of office and the changes she made to the appalling state of the country does it for me. I'm sure some wouldn't think Winston Churchill was a great leader but they'd be wrong too! :lol:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because anyone who was around at the time and in favour of her leadership will think she was great at it - hence "a great leader" I acknowledged from the start that others wouldn't agree but 3 periods of office and the changes she made to the appalling state of the country does it for me. I'm sure some wouldn't think Winston Churchill was a great leader but they'd be wrong too! :lol:

That doesn't really answer the question does it Chris and I guess it's just a few looking at their own personal circumstances as opposed to our country as a whole and the effect she had on Scotland , North West , N Ireland , South Wales , Yorkshire - that's big areas she was supposed to lead but failed.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Unemployment reached record figures under Thatcher
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22070491

Record since 1971 that is.

 

[chrisd]

That doesn't really answer the question does it Chris and I guess it's just a few looking at their own personal circumstances as opposed to our country as a whole and the effect she had on Scotland , North West , N Ireland , South Wales , Yorkshire - that's big areas she was supposed to lead but failed.

The answer you are trying to get is never going to happen Phil. She didn't fail all people in all of those areas, that is a sweeping generalisation and frankly wrong.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The answer you are trying to get is never going to happen Phil. She didn't fail all people in all of those areas, that is a sweeping generalisation and frankly wrong.

Ok here is a simple question - Did Thatcher divide the nation ?

 

[Hobbit]

The answer you are trying to get is never going to happen Phil. She didn't fail all people in all of those areas, that is a sweeping generalisation and frankly wrong.

I think the first thing you'd have to define is "wrong." And what's wrong for one person is so clearly right for the next. These are arguments with no winners, only opinions and fallouts.

C'mon guys, team hug!:cheers: