Itv leaders debate.

[Hobbit]

Depends, Homer.

Plenty of folks think he was a good leader, even in Scotland. He did get a lot of votes up here.

Plenty will think differently.

I reckon most folks will know who (if anyone) they are voting for anyway.
I guess it's just a case of a 'heavyweight' will get column inches and screentime, helping to get their message across.

He was a great leader, for a term and a half... sadly, he his ego took over and he stopped listening to the people.

 

[Old Skier]

Anyone on here want the UK to leave the EU ?

Having seen everything that is bad in the EU my initial response is "I do" however I think things have gone to far. It's turned into a feeding trough for wannabe politicians and civil servants who should be put against a wall and shot.

To much waste and it moved so far away from the original brief without any mandate from the people.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

He was a great leader, for a term and a half... sadly, he his ego took over and he stopped listening to the people.

And it's that last part of his tenure that seems to be remembered by so many. He was a good leader initially

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Good message from Blair though.

Anyone on here want the UK to leave the EU ?

If the creeping federalism continues unabated then probably yes.

 

[c1973]

Fair comment. I guess anything that get's a party message will be viewed as good publicity although he's surely seen as a dinosaur in some quarters

I'd imagine so, but it's a term I've never really agreed with. Experience can sometimes be a good thing though, so I wouldn't automatically write it off.

Edit: not that I'm saying you would write it off.

 

[c1973]

I think there might well be an appetite for an in out referendum on Europe, curious that the snp do not support this but will no doubt (imo) be shouting for another referendum to leave the UK after this election.

Hypocrisy?

 

[Fade and Die]

Good message from Blair though.

Anyone on here want the UK to leave the EU ?

But surely its right to be asked? Only UKIP and CON are offering the chance of having a say. Are the others too scared of the answer?

 

[Foxholer]

Having seen everything that is bad in the EU my initial response is "I do" however I think things have gone to far. It's turned into a feeding trough for wannabe politicians and civil servants who should be put against a wall and shot.

To much waste and it moved so far away from the original brief without any mandate from the people.

An appropriate 'Animal Farm' analogy! Not sure about your 'remedy' though!

It wasn't necessarily the EU's fault for not having a mandate. Blair's speech demonstrates the arrogance (or fear of getting the 'wrong' result) that governments - especially his - have shown! And I don't believe Blair is actually correct about the chaos that a referendum would cause! While businesses might plan for either result, there certainly wouldn't be chaos either before or after a referendum imo. The sooner a referendum takes place though, the better. As some decisions by multi-nationals might favour a 'guaranteed' position for the likes of siting new developments.

If the creeping federalism continues unabated then probably yes.

Nothing wrong with Federalism per se! It's ensuring that the balance between central and devolved authority (Major's 'subsidiarity') is right that is the problem! And it's apathy that allows that authority to be chipped away imo.

 

[c1973]

The BIG question surely is this.

Did that guy with the blond hair in the black hat have a false moustache on his top lip? It looked proper dodgy.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Nothing wrong with Federalism per se! It's ensuring that the balance between central and devolved authority (Major's 'subsidiarity') is right that is the problem! And it's apathy that allows that authority to be chipped away imo.

I am afraid a United States of Europe does not sit comfortably with me. It certainly was not what I voted in favour of back in 1975.

A federal Europe subsumes too many national characteristics and identities.

 

[lobthewedge]

Nicola sturgeon says she is going to end austerity by having a modest increase in spending across the board.

Fine. Ok. I get that.

But what confuses me is that she is going to reduce the country's deficit while this spending splurge is going on.

Can anyone explain to me how that works?

 

[c1973]

Ruth just tore her a 'new one' there with regard to the 'savage cuts'.

 

[c1973]

Jim Murphy sums it up quite nicely there, 'it's always someone else's fault, isn't it Nicola?'. The snp default position.

Not doing to well when it's your own record that is being questioned are we?


Nice answer from Jim on who would be your preference for a coalition if you had to form one?, 'the English Labour party and the Welsh Labour party.


Sturgeon claiming Labour would prefer a Tory Government!!! WOW!!!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

For the benefit of English viewers.
Quite decent civilised debate apart from Ruth losing it for a wee while shouting and yelling.


Quick final summary from the politically balanced audience.
Polite applause for Rennie, Davidson and Murphy.
Loud applause and cheering for Sturgeon

 

[c1973]

I liked the audience member who chastised Sturgeon for talking over the top of folk and constantly butting in. Good round of applause for that.

Booed rather loudly for not ruling out another referendum after the election (nice to hear). Vote snp and you'll be giving them a mandate for another referendum.

Davidson lost it a wee bit with Murphy, as did Sturgeon when she claimed 'Labour would rather have a Tory Govt!' (That's a belter btw). Rennie......who is he again???

Murphy done OK, certainly convinced one girl in particular in the audience, but he looks like he needs a good plate of mince in him.....most veggies do mind ye.

 

[SocketRocket]

Regarding our future in Europe. I hope the Conservatives get the opportunity to try and re-negotiate or position and if some headway can be made on Movement of labour, if so I would seriously consider voting to stay but I doubt if this will happen.

 

[SocketRocket]

Nicola sturgeon says she is going to end austerity by having a modest increase in spending across the board.

Fine. Ok. I get that.

But what confuses me is that she is going to reduce the country's deficit while this spending splurge is going on.

Can anyone explain to me how that works?

It wont work. Just like it doesn't in Scotland now.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For the benefit of English viewers.
Quite decent civilised debate apart from Ruth losing it for a wee while shouting and yelling.


Quick final summary from the politically balanced audience.
Polite applause for Rennie, Davidson and Murphy.
Loud applause and cheering for Sturgeon

Your summary seems the opposite to the general feelings I have read from people who watched whilst the post on social media

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Your summary seems the opposite to the general feelings I have read from people who watched whilst the post on social media

In what way... I just mentioned one Ruth moment and the final applause. Quite a bit went on in between.

 

[lobthewedge]

Quick final summary from the politically balanced audience.
Polite applause for Rennie, Davidson and Murphy.
Loud applause and cheering for Sturgeon

The funniest clown often gets the loudest applause and cheers at the circus too!