FairwayDodger
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That's one take on it, if you choose to believe he's lying.
That is quite interesting. Some stuff in there I can believe, and some spin.
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That's one take on it, if you choose to believe he's lying.
That is quite interesting. Some stuff in there I can believe, and some spin.
Doon frae Troon
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Thanks for that Adi. very interesting read.
I urge forummers to take 5 mins out of their busy lives to read it.
I urge forummers to take 5 mins out of their busy lives to read it.
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It's not new with the media
We all know that certain papers will throw their weight behind certain parties and leaders etc and will look to discredit the others and throw in loads of spin
The unfortunate thing is the rag red tops along with the Mail seem to have too much influence with some people
MegaSteve
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Hopefully you took the extra time to read the comments...
All I want to hear from Ms Sturgeon is that she has no designs [as part of any deal with Labour] for additional taxes, for Londoners, to pay for her excesses north of the wall...
Doon frae Troon
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Is that not the problem as virtually all of the mainline papers spout Tory guff.
All but one of Scotland's papers are anti SNP.
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It's the same for everyone
Doon frae Troon
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I think you will find that it is SLAB leader Jim Murphy who is in favour of that one.
MegaSteve
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As is Alex Salmond who's 'boss' I believe is Ms Sturgeon...
And, did you take the time to read the comments?
Foxholer
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That article pretty much reflects my thoughts!
I would not be surprised if this was the last FPTP UK election - if it lasts 5 years. Nor would I be surprised if whichever government results, it doesn't last very long!
My only issue with some sort of coalition is that the likely main target/candidate for the top-up role is the SNP. It's not that I don't like their policies/people. It's just that they are not a 'whole of UK' mob, so will (or at least should) be focused on Scotland whenever a clash arises. The Lib-Dems, as a 'whole of UK' party have been much more to my taste, if pretty much invisible once their major demand/concession (ironically a referendum on a different voting system) was kicked into touch so dramatically! I doubt it would be rejected by so much if the same question was asked in 6-9 months time!
For those wanting 'English Votes for English Laws', a coalition with SNP would seem to be a disaster!
Adi2Dassler
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I'm not suggesting he's lying, just that the reason for his re-defection back to the party he originally defected from is based on pillars of salt.
Good luck to the guy, he might get selected to stand in Maggie Currans seat once she's papped out in May, or he might re-re-defect once he's realised he backed the wrong pony.
Doon frae Troon
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Adi2Dassler
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Actually, I'm gonna call bollocks on my own link.The 55 result was nothing like the author describes...Eden won a significant majority.
Apologies for that aspect of the link.
Apologies for that aspect of the link.
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Having read the article and researched the source, including its funding, I would conclude that, whilst it contains some interesting comment it is precisely that, just comment.
It is not exactly unbiased and also perpetuates the Left's obsession with the power of the Press. It refers to the GE of 1955 and the alliance that returned Eden whilst overlooking those Labour Governments that have been returned as a result of Scottish votes.
I would, however, agree that it is long past the time when the UK, as a whole, abolished FPTP and replaced it with PR.
Adi2Dassler
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You can't have researched it that well if you agree with the 1955 analysis?
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I didn't say I agreed with the analysis. Merely stated that the author was prepared to reference 1955 whilst overlooking other GE results that did not fit his argument.
Without the "other parties" Eden may still have had a majority and a workable one at that as I could not see the Ulster Unionists supporting Attlee.
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Foxholer
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Pretty understandable when most of Press is decidedly to the Right! And has considerable power - that it uses constantly!
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Sorry but I think you are vastly overrating that power, particularly when the author refers to the Press making it impossible for Milliband to govern.
Strange that those on the Left of centre were quick to decry the Murdoch inspired claim that "It was The Sun wot won it." and yet now those same people are complaining about the power of the Press.
Cannot both be right.
Tashyboy
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Nice to see that Tony Blair has entered the political debate on Europe.
shame he cannot think back far enough to remember he opened the doors to mass unpoliced immigration into this country, which is the cause of a great many peoples issues with immigration.
me finks him opening his "cake hole" may cause more harm than good to the Labour cause
shame he cannot think back far enough to remember he opened the doors to mass unpoliced immigration into this country, which is the cause of a great many peoples issues with immigration.
me finks him opening his "cake hole" may cause more harm than good to the Labour cause
MegaSteve
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With regard the "power of the press".... Many believe that we got Boris as mayor, last time around, due to the writings of one person in the 'local paper'... Not that he wrote support for Boris more that he wrote much bile against Ken... To be fair Ken was an easy target and needed to go... Waiting, with interest, to hear what the same writer has to say about the candidates next year... To see if he wishes to seek to interfere in the same way....
Adi2Dassler
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Eden won 345 seats all on his own.
