Is this the future of dress codes?

CheltenhamHacker said:
I think you missed the smiley off that clearly tongue in cheek post....
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TheCaddie said:
I don't think he did. :D
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Maybe a little one. I'm judging no one (well maybe a little). But I wouldn't join and probably play anywhere that didn't have a dress code. No problem with a pair of jeans in the bar, but cut off denim shorts, t shirts, not for me.

There are places you can play in that get up, most of them have greens like fairways, have municipal in the title and serve special brew on tap.

I don't want a golf club to be a wether spoons.
 
drive4show said:
Of course not, I wear what is appropriate ie. smart casual trousers and a polo shirt with or without a jumper.

If people want to wear inappropriate clothing and the club allows it then fine with me. They are choosing to prevent themselves from playing at nice courses should they want to.
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I appreciate your point. What I was getting at though, it wasn't long ago that it was mandatory in all clubs to wear suit and tie whilst there. Just because they've slackened the dress code to allow smart casual trousers and a polo shirt, hasn't changed anything about the club.

I guess what i'm getting at is that golf clubs have already shown that they adapt to the changing world by reducing pressure with some areas of the dress code. What's to say that what TheJezster wears isn't appropriate?

I'm much of the SILH line. it should be about how you behave, not how you dress. This is likely due to my relative young age though, and our natural tendency to questions rules that exist for the sake of being rules. (In my opinion).

As it happens, when dressed casually I tend to wear chinos and a shirt, so either way this doesn't effect me, just trying to put across an opposing point of view.
 
therod said:
Maybe a little one. I'm judging no one (well maybe a little). But I wouldn't join and probably play anywhere that didn't have a dress code. No problem with a pair of jeans in the bar, but cut off denim shorts, t shirts, not for me.

There are places you can play in that get up, most of them have greens like fairways, have municipal in the title and serve special brew on tap.

I don't want a golf club to be a wether spoons.
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That's a fair opinion, based on the current opportunities to play places like that.

What would happen though if (revolutionary) a famous course, of brilliant condition, decided that they would keep everything the same but let you wear whatever you fancied. Would you not play this, just because others may wish to dress differently?
 
drive4show said:
Of course not, I wear what is appropriate ie. smart casual trousers and a polo shirt with or without a jumper.

If people want to wear inappropriate clothing and the club allows it then fine with me. They are choosing to prevent themselves from playing at nice courses should they want to.
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Bottom line is if you have a collection of established golfers (regardless of whether its a nice course or not) who don't want to see any golfer in the clubhouse in shorts or flip flops then it wont change anytime soon

I'll be playing two very nice courses this weekend and almost without exception everyone will be in the clubhouse afterwards in shorts flip flops/sandals etc & I don't believe it can simply be attributed to climate alone (I've never seen a UK golf club website that says the dress code doesn't apply once the temp reaches xx degrees)

So the acceptability or appropriateness of flip flops is simply in regards to what established golfers want to see in others and isn't linked to the grandeur of the clubhouse or niceness of the course
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
That's a fair opinion, based on the current opportunities to play places like that.

What would happen though if (revolutionary) a famous course, of brilliant condition, decided that they would keep everything the same but let you wear whatever you fancied. Would you not play this, just because others may wish to dress differently?
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It wouldn't happen. The only place really may be the grove, which isn't a golf club.

In 100 years time maybe sunningdale will allow boardys and a hoodie but I won't be around to splutter into my sherry.

The reason it won't happen, is that a decent golf club is little oasis of calm away from the outside world, and they should and will stay that way.
 
Slab said:
Bottom line is if you have a collection of established golfers (regardless of whether its a nice course or not) who don't want to see any golfer in the clubhouse in shorts or flip flops then it wont change anytime soon

I'll be playing two very nice courses this weekend and almost without exception everyone will be in the clubhouse afterwards in shorts flip flops/sandals etc & I don't believe it can simply be attributed to climate alone (I've never seen a UK golf club website that says the dress code doesn't apply once the temp reaches xx degrees)

So the acceptability or appropriateness of flip flops is simply in regards to what established golfers want to see in others and isn't linked to the grandeur of the clubhouse or niceness of the course
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No it's linked to the culture. Things change but not very quickly
 
therod said:
It wouldn't happen. The only place really may be the grove, which isn't a golf club.

In 100 years time maybe sunningdale will allow boardys and a hoodie but I won't be around to splutter into my sherry.

The reason it won't happen, is that a decent golf club is little oasis of calm away from the outside world, and they should and will stay that way.
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Oh come on, play along, that's no fun!

Lets say sunningdale was infiltrated by a number of "revolutionary" folk, who managed to convince the rest of the members that it's in their own good. (or even, a large number of the young and rich took up membership), and somehow this vote snuck through.

Would you still not play?

I completely understand the reticence to play rubbish courses, and that they often tie hand in hand to the dress code, but i'm trying to see how much is due to the dress code, and how much is due to the courses...
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
Oh come on, play along, that's no fun!

Lets say sunningdale was infiltrated by a number of "revolutionary" folk, who managed to convince the rest of the members that it's in their own good. (or even, a large number of the young and rich took up membership), and somehow this vote snuck through.

Would you still not play?

I completely understand the reticence to play rubbish courses, and that they often tie hand in hand to the dress code, but i'm trying to see how much is due to the dress code, and how much is due to the courses...
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Could I get a pint of Stella in the bar??

Let me think....erm, no?

If I wanted to spend my weekend with a load of fellas in shorts and vests I'd take up triathlons.

I like the fact that my club has standards. Apparently they've relaxed from a few years ago, but no one wants a free for all.

I admire Newbury doing this on their short course, but I imagine being a similar club they would never extend it to the main course.

I've never met anyone yet that says 'I love to take up golf, but only if I can play in a vest'
 
I can only influence dress code of my own club - regardless of the dress at my club now or in the future, I would always try to adhere strictly to the dress code of any club I visit - and dress code of whatever nature would never deter me from visiting a club and playing it's course Unless that is in the unlikely event that I would be required to purchase something significant that I do not have; that I wouldn't otherwise buy; and that I might never wear again - which as it happens is for many younger folks today what 'traditional' golf attire would be.
 
drive4show said:
Serious question.......do you think that is acceptable in a golf club? And would you turn up like that to play anywhere else?
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Oh my! I think someone needs to have a word with themselves or throw a shape over themselves....

I wouldnt worry about what I wear if I were you. By all means treat me on how you find me, manners etc, that's natural, I'd do exactly the same. I know you'd find me an absolute delight btw, I'm awesome ;-)
 
TheJezster said:
Oh my! I think someone needs to have a word with themselves or throw a shape over themselves....

I wouldnt worry about what I wear if I were you. By all means treat me on how you find me, manners etc, that's natural, I'd do exactly the same. I know you'd find me an absolute delight btw, I'm awesome ;-)
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No, TBH I think you are the person that needs to have a word with yourself. I wouldn't dream of having my picture taken at an award ceremony with the club captain dressed how you describe. To me it is a simple case of showing respect.

I'm a delightful, awesome guy as well. I just have different standards from you :thup:
 
therod said:
I admire Newbury doing this on their short course, but I imagine being a similar club they would never extend it to the main course.
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Spot on, it will never happen at the 18 hole course!! The flag would be at half mast for while!
 
drive4show said:
No, TBH I think you are the person that needs to have a word with yourself. I wouldn't dream of having my picture taken at an award ceremony with the club captain dressed how you describe. To me it is a simple case of showing respect.

I'm a delightful, awesome guy as well. I just have different standards from you :thup:
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Award ceremony!!??? hahaha, think whilst having a word with yourself you might need to brush up on your reading too ;-)

The captain did show respect for me though, he wore his captains blazer! So i allowed the inpromput photo to take place :-D
 
IMHO, playing in shorts/trousers & polo shirt is spot on. Shorts being tailored chino style.

In the clubhouse, walking in from the 18th not having changed anything apart from footwear is ok as long as it isn't for a formal post game dinner. If it were a medal/comp I would at least have thought a shower & change to smart trousers, shoes & shirt. Not necessarily tie/suit etc.

Yes they are "stuffy" opinions but they are mine.

Denim (again IMO) is not appropriate for playing golf (not even denim shorts). I wouldn't even think of wearing denim into a clubhouse after a game.

When we go for our society weekends we check dress code for the club to make sure we don't under dress (some require tie/blazer) but we all wear at minimum chinos & shirts & shoes.

I was brought up in the rugby world where you arrived in trousers/shirt/club tie/polished shoes. You changed into the club kit (again boots cleaned) then after the match we showered & changed back into shirts/ties.

It is part of the games allure.

Now don't get me wrong. Popping to the range for an hour in your denim shorts & hoody is fine.

If you have been out doing whatever during the day & had to pop to the clubhouse to check next weeks fixture & the captain was there & asked for the "impromptu photo" mentioned all fine & dandy. (maybe the context was missed I don't know). But to purposefully wear that after a round knowing there may be a photo/presentation in my book is a no no.

I am 32 & have these opinions. I am not saying anyone has to agree or disagree, but IMO that is how people should be dressed as it is part of the game & heritage.
 
drew83 said:
IMHO, playing in shorts/trousers & polo shirt is spot on. Shorts being tailored chino style.

In the clubhouse, walking in from the 18th not having changed anything apart from footwear is ok as long as it isn't for a formal post game dinner. If it were a medal/comp I would at least have thought a shower & change to smart trousers, shoes & shirt. Not necessarily tie/suit etc.

Yes they are "stuffy" opinions but they are mine.

Denim (again IMO) is not appropriate for playing golf (not even denim shorts). I wouldn't even think of wearing denim into a clubhouse after a game.

When we go for our society weekends we check dress code for the club to make sure we don't under dress (some require tie/blazer) but we all wear at minimum chinos & shirts & shoes.

I was brought up in the rugby world where you arrived in trousers/shirt/club tie/polished shoes. You changed into the club kit (again boots cleaned) then after the match we showered & changed back into shirts/ties.

It is part of the games allure.

Now don't get me wrong. Popping to the range for an hour in your denim shorts & hoody is fine.

If you have been out doing whatever during the day & had to pop to the clubhouse to check next weeks fixture & the captain was there & asked for the "impromptu photo" mentioned all fine & dandy. (maybe the context was missed I don't know). But to purposefully wear that after a round knowing there may be a photo/presentation in my book is a no no.

I am 32 & have these opinions. I am not saying anyone has to agree or disagree, but IMO that is how people should be dressed as it is part of the game & heritage.
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I am 27 and have exactly the same opinion!!
 
Just re-read your original post:

TheJezster said:
I was more talking about the OP and saying thats great. As for my club, I said I didnt realise we HAD a dress code. What we have (which sounds like you've taken from the website) isnt followed and as we're a members club it's all fine. Obviously any guests etc would normally turn up in standard golfing attire etc. I was photographed with the caption winning a monthly medal in bar one sunday, wearing torn denim knee length shorts, trainers, t shirt and hoody. A bit of banter was thrown about but thats all it is, banter.
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If the Captain is in the bar in his club blazer after a monthly medal to have his photo taken with the winner then by definition, that is a ceremony.

And the bit about banter, it may have been banter to you but I think I'd be pretty safe in saying that not everyone would see it that way. In fact, if it was normal dress code in your club then I doubt it would even have been mentioned.
 
drive4show said:
Just re-read your original post:



If the Captain is in the bar in his club blazer after a monthly medal to have his photo taken with the winner then by definition, that is a ceremony.

And the bit about banter, it may have been banter to you but I think I'd be pretty safe in saying that not everyone would see it that way. In fact, if it was normal dress code in your club then I doubt it would even have been mentioned.
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TBH I would agree with this. Surely anyone would see a post-medal prize giving as an award ceremony to some degree?
 
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