Is this practicing on the course?

[Deleted member 30522]

Player using small practice area, at most a medium iron can be hit longways and it's only 30 yards wide

Situation 1: If someone decides they want to practice driver (or long clubs) are they 'practicing on the course' if they hit from the practice area onto an adjacent fairway?

Situation 2: By hitting perpendicular they can cross another adjacent fairway and hit balls into a loch

Are either/neither/both permitted?

 

[Neilds]

Not sure about rules wise but from a safety point of view seems a bit daft!

 

[rulefan]

Player using small practice area, at most a medium iron can be hit longways and it's only 30 yards wide

Situation 1: If someone decides they want to practice driver (or long clubs) are they 'practicing on the course' if they hit from the practice area onto an adjacent fairway?

Situation 2: By hitting perpendicular they can cross another adjacent fairway and hit balls into a loch

Are either/neither/both permitted?

Is the ball being hit from an area which is on the course?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Is the ball being hit from an area which is on the course?

No, all balls have been fired from within the practice area.


EDIT: Also to add this is obviously when it's deliberate, not accidentally hitting onto a fairway

 

[clubchamp98]

West Derby golf club by me had this set up years ago.
With no room for a practice ground.
It was deemed ok under the rules as the actual teeing ground was not part of the course only the landing area.
My course now has a practice area over the tenth fairway.
So it’s in two parts. Teeing area and large landing area.
Can’t play over the fairway on comp days but any other day is fine.
Golfers have right of way at all times.

 

[doublebogey7]

From Rule 5.2 "Practising on the course” means playing a ball, or testing the surface of the putting green of any hole by rolling a ball or rubbing the surface." What you describe does not appear to meet this definition of practise so yes both are permitted. I would suggest if that was not the case and awful lot of clubs would need to install bigger nets around their practise facilities, includimg ours, as many a range ball accidently gets hit onto the course.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

From Rule 5.2 "Practising on the course” means playing a ball, or testing the surface of the putting green of any hole by rolling a ball or rubbing the surface." What you describe does not appear to meet this definition of practise so yes both are permitted. I would suggest if that was not the case and awful lot of clubs would need to install bigger nets around their practise facilities, includimg ours, as many a range ball accidently gets hit onto the course.

As above, this is being done deliberately, not accidentally. Howevrr it does seem there's no rule against it, which I'm quite surprised at, but there ye go.

 

[salfordlad]

From Rule 5.2 "Practising on the course” means playing a ball, or testing the surface of the putting green of any hole by rolling a ball or rubbing the surface." What you describe does not appear to meet this definition of practise so yes both are permitted. I would suggest if that was not the case and awful lot of clubs would need to install bigger nets around their practise facilities, includimg ours, as many a range ball accidently gets hit onto the course.

Agree. For completeness, note also this rule only applies before a round or between rounds (on the same day). That is, if the player was not playing the course subsequently, it would make no difference if the area being hit from was on or off the course.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Not sure about rules wise but from a safety point of view seems a bit daft!

The person concerned would indeed qualify in that category, indeed deliberately provocative might be a better description, loves to push the envelope.

 

[Neilds]

The person concerned would indeed qualify in that category, indeed deliberately provocative might be a better description, loves to push the envelope.

Sounds like you need a club rule to say no bombing practice balls onto the course

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Sounds like you need a club rule to say no bombing practice balls onto the course

Now under consideration. Genuinely thought that this came under practice on the course, all repsponses here and on a facebook rules page are saying otherwise, so this option already been spoken about today.

You've no idea the number of rules we've had to introduce to combat one person who always wants to just be a little bit different to other members

 

[KenL]

Player using small practice area, at most a medium iron can be hit longways and it's only 30 yards wide

Situation 1: If someone decides they want to practice driver (or long clubs) are they 'practicing on the course' if they hit from the practice area onto an adjacent fairway?

Situation 2: By hitting perpendicular they can cross another adjacent fairway and hit balls into a loch

Are either/neither/both permitted?

Tell whoever it not to hit balls into a lake!

For me, neither is against a rule.
Was this prior to a strokeplay comp?

 

[clubchamp98]

Now under consideration. Genuinely thought that this came under practice on the course, all repsponses here and on a facebook rules page are saying otherwise, so this option already been spoken about today.

You've no idea the number of rules we've had to introduce to combat one person who always wants to just be a little bit different to other members

We are told no hitting balls outside the practice area.
Accidental yes delibaretly no no.
I would have thought this would only be allowed by the comittiee agreement.
I am sure a health and safety meeting could stop it if they wanted to.
But that’s stopping other members using it.

 

[doublebogey7]

Now under consideration. Genuinely thought that this came under practice on the course, all repsponses here and on a facebook rules page are saying otherwise, so this option already been spoken about today.

You've no idea the number of rules we've had to introduce to combat one person who always wants to just be a little bit different to other members

I find it puzzling that you would rather deal with this as a rule of golf infringment than a disciplinary issue given the H&S implications and the fact it would only ever be effective on a competition day.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

I would have thought this would only be allowed by the comittiee agreement.

As per my comments above, we have a member who seems to take delight in pushing the envelope and making us come up with decisions on things that have never previously needed to be discussed, because common sense dictates that it should never be needed. This guy is special. We had to rule that he couldn't take his dog on during medals for eg, again, why would you need such a rule, it's surely obvious, but no, he kicked up a great fuss and we had to make a specific term of competition, which in our 100th year had never needed saying before.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

I find it puzzling that you would rather deal with this as a rule of golf infringment than a disciplinary issue given the H&S implications and the fact it would only ever be effective on a competition day.

It was before a medal, hence my specific question

 

[rulefan]

Player using small practice area, at most a medium iron can be hit longways and it's only 30 yards wide

Situation 1: If someone decides they want to practice driver (or long clubs) are they 'practicing on the course' if they hit from the practice area onto an adjacent fairway?

Situation 2: By hitting perpendicular they can cross another adjacent fairway and hit balls into a loch

Are either/neither/both permitted?

As a stroke is not being made from on the course it is not practicing on the course.

 

[Neilds]

As per my comments above, we have a member who seems to take delight in pushing the envelope and making us come up with decisions on things that have never previously needed to be discussed, because common sense dictates that it should never be needed. This guy is special. We had to rule that he couldn't take his dog on during medals for eg, again, why would you need such a rule, it's surely obvious, but no, he kicked up a great fuss and we had to make a specific term of competition, which in our 100th year had never needed saying before.

You can't legislate for stupid/bloody mindedness/etc

 

[Slab]

As per my comments above, we have a member who seems to take delight in pushing the envelope and making us come up with decisions on things that have never previously needed to be discussed, because common sense dictates that it should never be needed. This guy is special. We had to rule that he couldn't take his dog on during medals for eg, again, why would you need such a rule, it's surely obvious, but no, he kicked up a great fuss and we had to make a specific term of competition, which in our 100th year had never needed saying before.

Any idea why it had never been said before?
Is it because in 100 years there was not one single instance of a player ever taking a dog round in a comp... or for 100 years no one had ever complained about a player taking a dog round in a comp?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Any idea why it had never been said before?
Is it because in 100 years there was not one single instance of a player ever taking a dog round in a comp... or for 100 years no one had ever complained about a player taking a dog round in a comp?

The former obviously, as I said, he makes a career out of finding things that have never cropped up, and causing the committee to continually rule on said things.