Is Mourinho trying to be too clever?

[In_The_Rough]

Banks calling in debts is good but does that cover the multi billionare owned clubs who could just wipe out the debt ?

Chelsea for example lost £50mil last season under June - since then how much have they spent ? But it's not debt to a bank ? Same with City and Monaco and PSG

As I said no easy answer you have just put forward a valid argument against my proposals. See what I am getting at, there will always be a way round rules and regulations

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As much as I think something g needs to be done for clubs that run at a debt. The clubs you've mentioned only have debts to their owners. If they decide to leave they'd have to sell and someone else would take the club at scratch. No debts. As frustrating as it may be to some fans. I don't see the problems with rich owners. There have always been cases like this. I don't know too many fans of small or middle level clubs that particularly care. It's predominately the fans over bigger clubs that are envious that they're struggling to compete now.

Have their really always been cases like this ? Who were the risk owners splashing personal fortunes on player purchases before Abramovich arrived ?

The rich owners like those are raising the fees and wages that mean other clubs to compete are trying to offer packages they themselves can't fund

It's a knock on effect from that big spending - teams try and compete with the rich owners but end up spending behind their means

I hated it when Hicks and Gillette spent millions that we didn't have and put us into debt

If you allow clubs to spend only money they make and have a little overdraft ( £20mil say ) then you still allow clubs to spend Limey but it levels the field out a bit more

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As I said no easy answer you have just put forward a valid argument against my proposals. See what I am getting at, there will always be a way round rules and regulations

I know mate - the problem is if something doesn't get done then football will really suffer

It's getting close to,pricing people out

 

[Papas1982]

Have their really always been cases like this ? Who were the risk owners splashing personal fortunes on player purchases before Abramovich arrived ?

The rich owners like those are raising the fees and wages that mean other clubs to compete are trying to offer packages they themselves can't fund

It's a knock on effect from that big spending - teams try and compete with the rich owners but end up spending behind their means

I hated it when Hicks and Gillette spent millions that we didn't have and put us into debt

If you allow clubs to spend only money they make and have a little overdraft ( £20mil say ) then you still allow clubs to spend Limey but it levels the field out a bit more

Jack walker and al fayed to name too. They were still throwing money around. Just at smaller levels. But only because football was 'cheaper' the. As to the wages being paid. Messi apparently loves Barca and never wants to leave, yet Barca still pay him close to 500000 a week and they don't have a sugar daddy. SkyTV bought the greatest advance, wages were already sky rocketing before Chelsea. I think it's easy to blame these rich owners. Players would still earn great sums without them.

 

[In_The_Rough]

I know mate - the problem is if something doesn't get done then football will really suffer

It's getting close to,pricing people out

Think it already has TBH, there will be loads that cannot afford to go anymore. I go to my team Chesterfield when I am back home and tickets there are at least £15 for what is essentially a bottom division game. My not sound much but for families it adds up, throw in some drink/food and programme and you are looking at £60 minimum for 2 hours entertainment(I say that in theory!!)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Jack walker and al fayed to name too. They were still throwing money around. Just at smaller levels. But only because football was 'cheaper' the. As to the wages being paid. Messi apparently loves Barca and never wants to leave, yet Barca still pay him close to 500000 a week and they don't have a sugar daddy. SkyTV bought the greatest advance, wages were already sky rocketing before Chelsea. I think it's easy to blame these rich owners. Players would still earn great sums without them.

Al Faye's was a rich owner but throwing money to make success ? Jack a Walker - yes to an extent but even then when they paid £3 mil for Shearer ( not sure on exact figure ) it was nowhere near the transfer record. They bought a lot of players but it's just exploding now.

Barce as with Madrid are back by the local government - they get big helping hands from local councils etc "purchasing training grounds etc " but both are in debt.

Sky did start the whole ball rolling - the invention of the prem alongside it.

 

[Papas1982]

Al Faye's was a rich owner but throwing money to make success ? Jack a Walker - yes to an extent but even then when they paid £3 mil for Shearer ( not sure on exact figure ) it was nowhere near the transfer record. They bought a lot of players but it's just exploding now.

Barce as with Madrid are back by the local government - they get big helping hands from local councils etc "purchasing training grounds etc " but both are in debt.

Sky did start the whole ball rolling - the invention of the prem alongside it.

shearer was a £3.6m British record fee, so walker was still doing the same thing just in a smaller scale.

And Al fayed did exactly the same thing in the lower leagues. Overspending and overpowering all the competitik on the lower leagues hoping to get to the prem. Rich owners can't be bad only once they get to the prem and upset the 'big boys'.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Think it already has TBH, there will be loads that cannot afford to go anymore. I go to my team Chesterfield when I am back home and tickets there are at least £15 for what is essentially a bottom division game. My not sound much but for families it adds up, throw in some drink/food and programme and you are looking at £60 minimum for 2 hours entertainment(I say that in theory!!)

I know loads that can no longer got to games. Now I'm down south I can't go regularly at all - maybe twice or three times a season now. I play with a few Arsenal fans - all can't afford their season tickets anymore they are that expensive.

But the clubs don't care - why ? Because they can fill the ground with endless "day tripper packages" including a meal and a meet the legend for 400 quid a person - and people from out of the country pay it. The knock on effect is the atmosphere in grounds is dying. The last time I went the couple in front of me - one had an iPad ( brave at Anfield ) ! Not interested in the game.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

shearer was a £3.6m British record fee, so walker was still doing the same thing just in a smaller scale.

And Al fayed did exactly the same thing in the lower leagues. Overspending and overpowering all the competitik on the lower leagues hoping to get to the prem. Rich owners can't be bad only once they get to the prem and upset the 'big boys'.

Are you sure Shearer was a record fee ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progression_of_British_football_transfer_fee_record

And if Al Fayed did run the club at debt and over spend then it's a bad thing ? The levels are getting frightening

 

[In_The_Rough]

Provided the money is coming in they will not care. Only when the stadiums have loads of empty seats will they take note. Must have been a knocked off ipad surely

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Provided the money is coming in they will not care. Only when the stadiums have loads of empty seats will they take note. Must have been a knocked off ipad surely

Depends on which scally she got it from

With these package deals the stadiums won't be empty - but it won't be full of football fans

 

[In_The_Rough]

Are you sure Shearer was a record fee ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progression_of_British_football_transfer_fee_record

And if Al Fayed did run the club at debt and over spend then it's a bad thing ? The levels are getting frightening

He was for transfers between English clubs. Domestic record I think it was. All the others around that time involve overseas clubs

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He was for transfers between English clubs. Domestic record I think it was. All the others around that time involve overseas clubs

Ah right - cheers :thup:

£3 mil doesn't get you youngsters now - blimey

 

[In_The_Rough]

No it doesn't. I can remember the uproar when Blackburn paid that amount

 

[Papas1982]

Ah right - cheers :thup:

£3 mil doesn't get you youngsters now - blimey

Beat me to it, clubs abroad were spending money before we were.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No it doesn't. I can remember the uproar when Blackburn paid that amount

I remember when we paid £8mil for Colleymore !!

Best record breaking we did was £1.2mil for Beardsley - Worst was Carroll !!

 

[Papas1982]

I remember when we paid £8mil for Colleymore !!

Best record breaking we did was £1.2mil for Beardsley - Worst was Carroll !!

I remember when we broke our record for David Hurst who smashed his knee and home and was useless. Osvaldo appears not better at £14m either!

 

[In_The_Rough]

I remember when we paid £8mil for Colleymore !!

Best record breaking we did was £1.2mil for Beardsley - Worst was Carroll !!

On a slightly lesser scale Kevin Davies on a free transfer was a good bit of business and sold to Southampton for £750,000 a few years later which turned out even better for Southampton as they sold him to Blackburn for £7 Million I think, worst for us was Jason Lee at £250,000 useless footballer scored 1 goal in about 20 games before he shown the door at a huge loss

 

[Deleted member 15344]

On a slightly lesser scale Kevin Davies on a free transfer was a good bit of business and sold to Southampton for £750,000 a few years later which turned out even better for Southampton as they sold him to Blackburn for £7 Million I think, worst for us was Jason Lee at £250,000 useless footballer scored 1 goal in about 20 games before he shown the door at a huge loss

Jason Lee !! Was that before or after the pineapple was removed

 

[In_The_Rough]

I remember when we broke our record for David Hurst who smashed his knee and home and was useless. Osvaldo appears not better at £14m either!

Shame about Hurst as he was outstanding at Wednesday but always very injury prone. Played in a charity match many years ago against him and Chris Waddle and Christ they could they play, bit slower than they used to be but they could certainly spread the ball about. Hurst is now a very good Snooker player who can get century breaks on a regular basis, his other half is a bit of allright too, she used to work in Harrisons menswear shop on Eccleshall road until she met him one day when he was a customer in the shop!!