Ireland's call/ A soldier's song

[3offTheTee]

Can someone please explain why both songs are sometimes sung at Internationals and sometimes only one.

Seem to think it was always a soldier's song in the past and why has Ireland's Call become so prevelant and what is the origin

 

[Ethan]

The latter is the proper Irish anthem, but to English ears is associated with Irish Republicanism a bit too much.

Ireland's Call is a more neutral song. Maybe they just should have gone the whole hog and sung Danny Boy.

 

[Farneyman]

It's to do with the fact Irelands rugby team is made up of Northern Ireland and The Republic of Ireland.

Amhrain na bhfiann (solders song) is the Republics national anthem.

Ireland's call is to keep both sides happy.

Love the fact it's an all Island Ireland rugby team, just wish the soccer team would do the same.

Another thing I like about Irish golf is that there is no border.

Boxing is another all Island sport.

 

[palindromicbob]

Another thing I like about Irish golf is that there is no border.

Tell that to Rory McIlroy, did you see his reaction at last years Open when confronted with a Tricolour?

[video=youtube;qtztjwLhqSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtztjwLhqSs[/video]

 

[rgs]

Tell that to Rory McIlroy, did you see his reaction at last years Open when confronted with a Tricolour?

[video=youtube;qtztjwLhqSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtztjwLhqSs[/video]

the tricolour is the flag of the irish republic, not the flag of the entire island. McIlroy, Clarke McDowell are all in a bind over the use of flags--if they hold a tricolour or a union jack they will annoy someone in ireland either a nationalist or unionist.

 

[chris661]

Tell that to Rory McIlroy, did you see his reaction at last years Open when confronted with a Tricolour?

What reaction, pretty hard to see anything conclusive from that clip! As has been said sports folk from the north have it pretty hard when it comes to someone either shoving a tricolour or union flag in their face.

 

[munro007]

I don't understand, why would someone from the north hold a tricolour flag. Don't you have the flag with a hand on it.

 

[stevek1969]

Fields of Athenry now thats a song, was brought up listening to my grandad singing it

 

[munro007]

http://www.wimp.com/irishfans/

 

[3offTheTee]

So why did Ireland's call become so popular and who thought /brought in the idea please, other than to keep both sides happy. This never seemed to be a consideration in the past. This is not meant to sound contentious in any way

 

[chris661]

http://www.wimp.com/irishfans/

So why did Ireland's call become so popular and who thought /brought in the idea please, other than to keep both sides happy. This never seemed to be a consideration in the past. This is not meant to sound contentious in any way

Maybe this is a good thing that it NOW is a consideration?

 

[munro007]

What now Chris, why the

 

[Iaing]

Don't think the flag has been designed yet that won't offend one side or the other in Ireland.

 

[palindromicbob]

Maybe this is a good thing that it NOW is a consideration?

Couldn't agree more. Having grown up in a political climate where the colour of the kerb stones on a street identified wether or not I'd be safe to tell people my surname I'm glad to see a bit more consideration to both sides. What I look forward to though is the days when these considerations are no longer neccessary. Won't be in my lifetime though.

Now is the season of flag flying but this is the one I'd run up the flag pole if I had one.

 

[Ethan]

I don't understand, why would someone from the north hold a tricolour flag. Don't you have the flag with a hand on it.

Some do, some don't. The Red Hand of Ulster is imbued with a great deal of political baggage, not to the taste of all from NI.

Rory is an interesting example, perhaps, of the way forward. He was born a Catholic, but went to a Protestant school, Sullivan Upper. As such, he would have a mixed allegiance to the flags. Probably happy to stand under either as circumstances dictate.

Darren Clarke was raised and schooled a Protestant, but has played golf for Ireland (as an amateur) and has been happy to associate with 'irish' symbols since, including, of course, the shamrock.

 

[munro007]

You put some interesting points there Ethan. I just don't get why the UK is in Ireland. I was never any good on history at school. Maybe someone could educate me, or maybe not.

 

[Ethan]

You put some interesting points there Ethan. I just don't get why the UK is in Ireland. I was never any good on history at school. Maybe someone could educate me, or maybe not.

I learned many years ago that any understandable description of what has happened in NI is certain to be wrong, so I will reserve my particular version.

I also have a working rule, which is to avoid waving flags or singing anthems of any sort at people. It generally leads to problems of one sort or another.

 

[Farneyman]

Some do, some don't. The Red Hand of Ulster is imbued with a great deal of political baggage, not to the taste of all from NI.

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Not all of Ulster is in Northern Ireland, don't forget Counties Monaghan, Cavan and Donegal. All three counties are in the Republic and part of Ulster. The Red Hand is also used in lots of Gaelic football crests as well as some undesirables...

The Red Hand was always a great game to play before or after football training...you waited until someone had their top off abd their back to you and you gave them the best open handed slap on the bare back...left a lovely Red hand mark. Bloody stung a bit lol

 

[munro007]

I have just looked at a map, and i see that Donegal etc is in a different colour to NI. I never new that was the case. See you can teach people without getting OTT etc.

 

[Foxholer]

I learned many years ago that any understandable description of what has happened in NI is certain to be wrong, so I will reserve my particular version.

A very smart approach imo.

For a demonstration of how events and history can be 'corrupted' for particular causes, just check out individual newspapers or TV channels report the same individual events.